i had some friends in moscow that were 1 station away from lubyanka when this happened im glad they are ok

Well the good thing is that it could have been much worse. From what I've read the explosions weren't in the thickest throng. Still, a really bad thing.

Chechnya doesn't help it's cause like this, to say the least.

and who told you that it's about(and by) Chechnya?:hmmm:

No one told me.
Why do you ask?

Russia says there are strong indications the women most likely committing these atrocities were so-called "black widows", which in the past have struck Russia before, most notably during the seizing of that theatre some years ago. That links the attacks to Chechnya indeed.

However, the nature of the rebels in the provinces of Chechnya and Inguchetia has changed most profoundly in the past 2 or 3 years. Before, they were fighting for independence for the most, Islamic ideologic drives to establish a Muhammedan theocratic state have just been part of the package. But now they are fighting for the establishment of a Caliphate as a dominat reason. They get massive funding from our old and trustworthy "ally", Saudi Terror Arabia, which has massively increased it's support over the past years.

It's not that both reasons for their fight, independence and Caliphate, never have both existed or do not exist both today, it's just that the dominant drive for their fight has shifted from independence to wanting a caliphate.

On the other hand, already during the Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 80s, the mujaheddin already told Western correspondents time and again that they plan to carry their war against the Soviets beyond Afghanistan and into all of the USSR's Southern provinces to turn them into muhammedan theocratic nations by force, and then thrust Islam into the heart of Moscow as well.

In the end every Islamic quarrel is about supremacist claims, totalitarian control and monoculturalism, and establishing the one and only true Herrenkultur, always, everywhere, each and every time Islamic groups starts complaining again. And this claim is what will make any negotiated settlement of the conflicts in the Caucasus and Israel-Palestine a wishful illusion, forever. As long as there is any non-Muslim place in the world, for Islam it still will not be enough what it already got. It's part of it's mission and self-understanding.

and the Chechens say that it was the FSB. I have seen to many documentaries about the Chechans in prisons and how they are used by russian security services to believe any of the sides.

Blind trust is not appropriate here, agreed. However, it is the most reasonable and most probable scenario at present. Any other theory needs at least as good a basis in information, as the assumption that the Chechnyan islamists have struck - even more so since their leadership has chnaged over the past two years, I think, and the new one promised to bring the war back to Russian streets. And this says not the FSB, but the Chechnyans Islamists themselves. ;) Also note that there have been bombings inside Dagestan today, too, while German TV news says today that Chechnyan rebels have confessed responsibility for the metro bombings in Moscow.

P.S. note that when I say "Chechnyan Islamists", it could as well be Islamists from Inguchetia and Dagestan, and/or foreign Islamists having entered the region - all this breed already cooperates beyond the borders of those former Soviet provinces, ignoring for a moment some minor local animosities between this and that warlord or this and that ethnic village.

Reuters reports that Chechen rebel Doku Umarov, the self-styled 'Emir of the Caucasus Emirate' has claimed on his website that he ordered the attacks.

:timeout: Is it "Chechen" or "Chechnyan"?

Chechen AFAIK.

:up:

Well not sure if it's his own website but rather a website used by the Chechens in general to further their cause.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/

The site is maintained by a Finnish guy, believe it or not. Bet Skybird would like to kick his butt. :haha:

Chechnya had its chance when it had de facto independence..

They screwed it up.....