Well, a city council meeting is not a place like the Muppets show, I would assume, where visitors occupy the balcony seats and can heckle the performances like Statler & Waldorf do and e.g. insult “Fozzie Bear”, the dubiously talented but irrepressible stand-up comic bear, aka the council member you voted into the office, because of the bad jokes he makes.

Could it be that your father pulled a Statler & Waldorf stunt?

Jaja. Another bad example of how Europe gets destroyed. Another example in a long list of example that does not stop.

I'm currently reading a good, a very good book, "Kritik der reinen Toleranz", which is nothing but a fully loaded broadside against the Political Correctness brigade. It is polemic in tone, but is loaded from top to bottom with materiual and examples illustrating how our societies get destroyed by home-made insanity and determination to be weak and meaningless. The argument and the sharp thinking behind the aggressive polemic tone shows that the polemic is not serving a self-purpose to earn some laughter, but ist just this: a desperate attempt to get heared in this European cacophony of insanity and madman's yelling. Reason, and better argument, even the obvious example itself - in today's discussion will not get listend to anymore.

For readers in German langauge, highly recommended. But you will not make yourself any friends by showing the cover anywhere.

Hope your Dad is well, and tell him he should spit out and hold his head up high when he is released.

http://www.amazon.de/Kritik-reinen-T...4892424&sr=8-1

On the issue of islam and more mosques - instead of the Saudi money these mosques will cost being invested into integration efforts for Muhammeddans and projects to educate their criminal and asocial youth population - I must not say anything anymore. You all know how much I despise Islam, and Islamic migration to europe.

Opening speech of Geert Wilder's trial over banning free speech and independent thinking in Holland:

Quote:

Mister Speaker, judges of the court, I would like to make use of my right to speak for a few minutes. Freedom is the most precious of all our attainments and the most vulnerable. People have devoted their lives to it and given their lives for it. Our freedom in this country is the outcome of centuries. It is the consequence of a history that knows no equal and has brought us to where we are now. I believe with all my heart and soul that the freedom in the Netherlands is threatened. That what our heritage is, what generations could only dream about, that this freedom is no longer a given, no longer self-evident. I devote my life to the defence of our freedom. I know what the risks are and I pay a price for it every day. I do not complain about it; it is my own decision. I see that as my duty and it is why I am standing here. I know that the words I use are sometimes harsh, but they are never rash. It is not my intention to spare the ideology of conquest and destruction, but I am not any more out to offend people. I have nothing against Muslims. I have a problem with Islam and the Islamization of our country because Islam is at odds with freedom. Future generations will wonder to themselves how we in 2010, in this place, in this room, earned our most precious attainment. Whether there is freedom in this debate for both parties and thus also for the critics of Islam, or that only one side of the discussion may be heard in the Netherlands? Whether freedom of speech in the Netherlands applies to everyone or only to a few? The answer to this is at once the answer to the question whether freedom still has a home in this country. Freedom was never the property of a small group, but was always the heritage of us all. We are all blessed by it. Lady Justice wears a blindfold, but she has splendid hearing. I hope that she hears the following sentences, loud and clear: It is not only a right, but also the duty of free people to speak against every ideology that threatens freedom. Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States was right: The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. I hope that the freedom of speech shall triumph in this trial. In conclusion, Mister Speaker, judges of the court. This trial is obviously about the freedom of speech. But this trial is also about the process of establishing the truth. Are the statements that I have made and the comparisons that I have taken, as cited in the summons, true? If something is true then can it still be punishable? This is why I urge you to not only submit to my request to hear witnesses and experts on the subject of freedom of speech. But I ask you explicitly to honour my request to hear witnesses and experts on the subject of Islam. I refer not only to Mister Jansen and Mister Admiraal, but also to the witness/experts from Israel, the United States, and the United Kingdom. Without these witnesses, I cannot defend myself properly and, in my opinion, this would not be an fair trial.

But today, defending freedom and free speech, criticising islam, standing up for europe's own grown, historical cultural identity and values, earns you a label of being "right-winged", a "hate-criminal", an "islamophobe", "intolerant" (my favourite!) .

The wiser head gives in, they say. That's the reason why the stupid and ignorrant rule the world today.

To raise one's own national flag, in one's own country is neo-nazi?!

Are you for real?

I think that is abit overboard for a old man... Seriously, one guy escorting him out would be good enough...

Is it just me, or have I heard of alot of mosque being built over there...

T-shirts!
A good way to show the flag, is on T-shirts.
I personaly dislike to wear a hat, but that also works well.

The ultimate is face painting.

Hope your dad is doing well now.

this is exactly what our government likes to think: everyone raising the national flag or speaking up is a nazi. Neonazis are crazy, but it's equally mad to see nazis where there aren't any.
It's like hearing voices in your head. No matter how twisted you are, not every single voice you hear is a fake one. Sometimes there are some genuine people talking to you.
Similarly, not everyone not supporting the build of a huge mosque in a residential area is a nazi.
In fact, 99% aren't.

From lots of your posts I can see you're quite left-wing.
I can't blame you, I'm a socialist myself, but I do think left-extremists are much too easy in calling someone a nazi. Everyone not left-wing is labeled as such nowadays, with all the consequences.
Talk about discrimination. Left wing extremists are equally hard discriminating everyone who doesn't agree with them as right-wing extremists discriminate foreigners/jews/you name it.
To quote one of my favorite bands:

Not just your government, it'S all european governments, and most people, the all-to-totalitarian consensus-society that enforces your agreement and voluntary tolerance all too willingly, not to mention that it is the most favourite hobby of the pro-Islamic Gutmenschen, and of the the PC-brigade, and that it is almost official EU policy.

Defend your identity, your culture, your laws and values and ethical standards, defend what makes euope actually europe, forget just ojne time when you say somethign that whatever yu say the opposite of what you say also is true and valid and precious, and that everything that is different than what you defend, or is hostile to what you defend nevertheless is of equal value and on the same cultural eye level with your own culture - and you get called a radical, a Nazi, a xyz--phobe immediately. Verdammte Gleichmacherei! No qualitative distinctions are being made anymore, anything and everything gets deneid in the name of featureless, non-hierarchical equality of just EVERYTHING. We live in the total tolerance society, and we have to tolerate everything as long as it is not ourselves, and have to be intolerant to those who remind us of ourselves. And that is for a reason:

We oversee that tolerance NEVER is shown by the weaker in the face of the stronger. Tolerance always gets shown by the strong one towards the weak one, with a haughty, condescending attitude he snips some breadcrumbs from the table and thinks he is so great when doing so, but it is sheer arrogance, sheer power. The weak, on the other hand, never is tolerant when he think he is - acutally, he just is weak and suffers what he has to suffer from the hand of the stronger. Only suffering from Stockholm syndrome may turn the weak into a believer of his own tolerance. Be punishing those of us not being "tolerant", we supress every hint that maybe in the challenges and conflicts that are brought upon us we are not on the strong side, but that we are the weak ones - the loosers in this clash. If we are tolerant, we assume to be strong.
But our voluntary tolerance is enfor4ced, actually we are weak and helpless. All europe is in the grip of a collective Stockholm syndrome.

Tolerance is the continuation of helplessness by other means.

Tolerance is the determination to be powerless.

Tolerance is the escape into enforced voluntariness.

And we - we tolerate ourselves to death.

Read what Highbury and Dan D above wrote. So to answer your question, yes I am for real. My question is, are you for real or are you just play acting on the Internets?

DarkFish,

I think your dad should stop breaking the law. Jail/prison isn't a nice place for someone his age.

Also, to wave a flag isn't patriotism. If it was then every chump in a football match should be called one. With the obvious difference to your dad that they are doing it legally.

And *I* think maybe you should read the thread before you post?:shifty:

yes, that too is an act of patriotism. But since there are no mosques involved in a football match nobody gives a damn. But the moment somebody shouts the word "muslim" everybody puts down his flags in fear of being called a nazi.
The few who don't - well, look at my dad...

To disturb a council meeting is against the law where I come from, it's also very bad manners which should be clear to anyone with any kind of upbringing.

Yea exactly like the US and coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan who are killing and torturing, oh that's right, muslims.

It seems odd to me that there's nothing in the news about this. Really- I mean there's nothing on Google's news search feature. Nothing at all...

http://news.google.com/news/search?a...erlands+muslim

If this really did happen, someone would be outraged by it. And by someone, I mean some sort of political/idealist group. Because this kind of stuff is always big news, let alone a big motivator for their agendas- and I won't pass speculation on what they may be.

So why haven't we seen anything on it yet?:hmmm:

I went back and read the posts of both Highbury, and Dan.
Neither had anything to do with the question I asked you.

Let us try the question again.
You think raising one's own flag, in one's own country, is neo-nazi?

It seems the Netherlands has lost it's way since the days of the Pilgrims asylum there. My first subversive thoughts were to open up a real Southern Bar-B-Que joint selling pork spare ribs or a Church of Scientology across the street from the proposed mosque. Then I thought your dad should sue for false arrest and imprisonment for denying him his free speech rights.

Then I thought a more productive avenue for you and your Dad would be to become activists in the movement to prevent and vigorously prosecute honor killings.

http://www.feminist.com/news/vaw26.html

where I come from it's called disturbance when you start shouting and such. Visitors hold up banners all the time, no problem. You can raise any flag you want, nobody cares. Maybe these things are "very bad manners" where you come from, but here it's nothing special.
Problem is, once you raise the Dutch flag when discussing a mosque, everyone jumps up and calls you a racist (look at yourself, it's exactly what you are doing)
what the heck does Iraq have to do with this?:-? Nobody mentioned anything about Iraq, if you want to discuss Iraq why don't you go here for example

heh. The Dutch press are too afraid to publish things like this cause they know that they'll be called racists themselves the minute they start defending my dad. Things like this have happened before, the press knows they shouldn't publish such things by now. Racismophobia goes far here:nope:
The only place where I could find anything on this is on right-extremist sites, who've got nothing to lose since they're racists already.
And these sites use it only as a means of propaganda for their cause:nope:
anyway, here's an article on one of those sites (in Dutch):
http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/index.php?pagina=10499
google translation (mind you, it's in the usual google-translate-english:O:):
http://translate.google.com/translat...99&sl=nl&tl=en