As always, you make valid points, Sir. I just believe that this game will be better than it's poor promotion leads us to believe.

I may be wrong. Time will tell. :)

Man, I sooo hope you are right...seriously.

I think my 7 and 4 yr old daughters (heck, add in my 2 yr old as well) could market this thing better.

The game is going to be great and more than anyone imagined. I truly believe the threads of discontent are all for nothing. :03:

hey, I guess somebody will buy it anyway... (2 or 3 maybe..:D)

I only hope it won't be as ba as the previews.

While I would approve of giving Neal getting a preview copy I'm not so sure that "so much could be accomplished".

They plan to go to market in a month or two and the time to add features is past.

Furthermore I dont belive that Neal would ailenate the developers by an overly critical review.

Generally speaking the quieter the developers are about a game the worse the game is.
Operation flashpoint Dragon Rising is a great example. Nothing is said apart from a few videos which are more like movies. No demo, "selected" reviewers given the game before release day. Result i think i gave that game around an hour before it was uninstalled.
Other games are much more open, i recently watch the first 10 minutes of the new AvP game on youtube. No idea if it will be any good but it does give you a good feel to the how the game will play
At the end of the day they are never going to release a version of the game here as if it does not go down well they are losing a fair wack of expected income, its way to much risk.
I have no idea is SH5 will be any good, but no information and the flashy film like videos are a worry.

In my opinion, the real problem is that Sales And Marketing handles the promotion of the product.

Those guys wouldn't know an AA/AF setting if it bit them in the ass. So when they release new screenshots, sometimes things like AA and Dynamic Shadows are included and sometimes they are not. This leads some people to believe that these elements are being photoshopped into the promo shots.

I think it must be incredibly frustrating for the Devs to see this happen. That's why I believe that a review could sort out once and for all questions regarding AA,AF, Dynamic Shadows, water texture, cloud texture, sub on rails etc.

One thing for sure ... with no advance copies out there, I will wait to buy until someone reviews it!

Regards,
Feltan

Hopefully Ubisoft will release at least one more video showing gameplay before the game hits the store shelves.

It would definitely help preorders.

It's not that simple TDK... It is "Iceberg" story:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3700/icebergfo.jpg
You see 20% above surface (Marketing)... and 80% of SHV is below surface invisible (Devs)

I would say that Marketing is marginal in this story... as they started two months before release date... so there is obvious lack of interaction willingnes... an feed back consideration...
that lasted for 8-12 months... before marketing even stepped in this story

Marketing did not make that "periscope screen"... and marketing is not supposed to "reconsider" it after obvious community rejection...

And afterall... the relation betwen devs and marketing is certainly not that bad - that devs can't tell them "show them those d**n storm waves next weekend"

Ubi is not "kindergarden" organization... so marketing haven't created HAWX, Rainbow Six:Vegas 2 or GRAW2 "simulations"...

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OH MY GOD!!!!!

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What is it you are saying would be frustrating exactly? To see things like AA being photoshopped into a screenshot, or to see people say it is being photoshopped in?

Just STFU and wait til its on your HDD!

Damn! the Stuff is Frozen and in Beta! the Marketing guys are ready to let it hiot the shelves and the presses are ready to get the empty CDs.

Other games experience has shown me that the Game is ready now. Nobody will alter any more code, and nobody will get an alpha or beta build for testing.

IT IS OVER!

Now is the hole between developping and Selling in the shops. So please stop bitching and whining, for chrissakes.

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