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Letum 12-21-09 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1222956)
on purpose


Says who and how do they know other than they see what looks like an upside down B?
It sounds very much like an urban myth to me.

breadcatcher101 12-21-09 03:45 PM

I always thought it was made out of wrought iron.

Never have been there in person, though...just looked like it.

kranz 12-21-09 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1222958)
Says who and how do they know other than they see what looks like an upside down B?
It sounds very much like an urban myth to me.

Huh?Hold your horses, ok? I'm just telling you what:
1.I heard-said by approved historian-ok, mby he is selling a myth...
2.was said by prisoners who worked on that sign

I'm not saying that I believe 100% in that story but so far the only one who did NOT show any written proof was you, sir....

Jimbuna 12-21-09 04:08 PM

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Pleased to see the idiots have been apprehended...whatever the motive, at the very least it was in extremely bad taste and a slap in the face for all those who suffered there during the war :nope:

Skybird 12-21-09 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1222958)
Says who and how do they know other than they see what looks like an upside down B?
It sounds very much like an urban myth to me.

You have a link to a roughly matching font scheme of that time having a capital B with the upper half bigger than the lower half?

I just searched for fonts being used in Germany in the 19th and 20 century, but I found no match. The letterblock fonts (various Fraktura versions 16-20th century, Schwabacher: 15th-16th century) and various handwriting fonts (Kurrent, Sütterlin, Volksschrift, Offenbacher) that were used, all do not have a B with reversed proportions like that.

Schroeder 12-21-09 04:57 PM

Good that they got those idiots.:yeah:

Shearwater 12-21-09 05:51 PM

I never got it why they would steal the sign in the first place - you can't sell it, and it's too much of an effort for a simple bad joke (plus the risk it involves).

kranz 12-22-09 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shearwater (Post 1223028)
I never got it why they would steal the sign in the first place - you can't sell it,

Actually there is a rumour that a guy from Sweden wanted to buy it(probably he hired them), dunno, maybe for his wicked collection or sth...

Police have shown the sign and letter "i" in word Frei is missing....

OneToughHerring 12-22-09 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1222974)
You have a link to a roughly matching font scheme of that time having a capital B with the upper half bigger than the lower half?

I just searched for fonts being used in Germany in the 19th and 20 century, but I found no match. The letterblock fonts (various Fraktura versions 16-20th century, Schwabacher: 15th-16th century) and various handwriting fonts (Kurrent, Sütterlin, Volksschrift, Offenbacher) that were used, all do not have a B with reversed proportions like that.

It could easily be a one off - font for that sign only. The b with the upper loop bigger reminds me of some early 20th century German films like Metropolis and Dr Caligari's cabinet for some reason, adds a kind of expressionistic flavor. Might be appropriate, I guess.

Saw some of the pics of the retrieved sign, they actually broke up the sign into pieces, and the i is missing? Makes me wonder, what would be an appropriate sentence for messing up an invaluable piece of history? People who grab souvenirs are probably already causing enough damage to the camp.

Skybird 12-22-09 02:23 PM

A (German) comment that makes good sense:

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/meinung/a...t22196,2981975

Personally I always have felt that monuments are usually hopelessly overestimated. and where they help to distract from present realities, they even become a bad joke.

Spending 60 million for the restoration of a monument, while accepting Iran to threaten Israel and preparing it's destruction so that afterwards one can be sorry about the past again and errect another monument in another rememberance of the poor Jews - that really makes little sense. One could even say it is cynical. And while these moneys get invested into a KZ-theme park that probably costed far less than 60 million at the time it was errected, survivors of the camp still have not goten compensation from either the German or Polish state.

The NYP has reported that Iran is testing fuses that are to be used in nuclear weapons - and only in nuclear weapons. 60 million is just 1% of the total turnover from business deals of German companies with Iran.

OneToughHerring 01-03-10 02:07 PM

According to Finnish media the theft was carried out by Swedish neonazis in the request of a wealthy British collector who wanted the sign for his collections. The neonazis were planning to use the money to fund attacks in Sweden.


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