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Weiss Pinguin 12-12-09 11:23 PM

It's easier to stick to 256 when you can't go any higher :D

Draka 12-12-09 11:27 PM

Ayup - larned patience 'bout four decades ago .......ya want a REAL slow game try some of the massive cardboard unit counters on printed map boards - like Avalon Hill's "Empire at Arms" , GDW's "DRANG NACH OSTEN" or SPI's "War in the East"

RoaldLarsen 12-13-09 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Draka (Post 1218372)
Ayup - larned patience 'bout four decades ago .......ya want a REAL slow game try some of the massive cardboard unit counters on printed map boards - like Avalon Hill's "Empire at Arms" , GDW's "DRANG NACH OSTEN" or SPI's "War in the East"

That brings back memories. Playing WitE, had all of Army Group South wiped out by a cleaning lady once.

Draka 12-13-09 02:13 AM

Ouch! Ya musta been pissed! That is a LOT of work .........How many moves were ya in?

Dissaray 12-13-09 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan Soniboy (Post 1218341)
256 max? Do you have the patience for that?

That is why I always make sure I have a good book or some thing else to occupy transit time when playing this game. Sounds odd I know, needing a book to play a game, but I have realy cought up on my reading.

RConch 12-13-09 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Draka (Post 1218146)
I am not sure of the technical details, but apparently the routine that checks for random events (Air patrols, weather changes, etc) skips many beats at anything over approx 128 compression.Therefore at high TC it will appear that the weather doesn't change for days (weeks sometimes) on end, air patrols and ships to sink appear at lesser intervals, etc.

I use SH3Cmdr to permanently set my compression so the max is 256 - and dropping to 128 anywhere near land.

This has been a constant refrain on these and other SH3 boards - experience gained over the many years of testing and using nearly every flavor of stock, supermod, weather mod, etc - so take it as gospel.

That is an explanation I can understand, not just what the other posters stated, I can read them.
It is the "why" I wanted to know.
Thanks Draka!:salute:
Now I run at X64 TC as opposed to X256 TC.

Kapitan Soniboy 12-13-09 10:04 AM

It's just silly. Stock SH3 detects aircraft even at 1024 TC. Can't I just stick with 1024 and not go any higher?

Kpt. Lehmann 12-13-09 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan Soniboy (Post 1218536)
It's just silly. Stock SH3 detects aircraft even at 1024 TC. Can't I just stick with 1024 and not go any higher?

No. Not if you want encounters with aircraft. This has been a long-standing issue with SH3 itself... This is not a problem with GWX. All the technical reasons are explained by the good gentlemen above/earlier in this thread.

I normally patrol at 128x TC. (Wish I had the time for 1x TC) For the best experience, you should never go above 256x TC.

flakmonkey 12-13-09 10:41 AM

As has been said in many posts above TC above 128x reduces encounters with planes whether using stock or a supermod, the reason as i understand it is due to planes moving at very high speed.
While in high TC the planes may simply jump right over the 30Km radius around your boat where units are modeled without detecting your sub.

The solution is to simply keep it at or below 128x in any area you would "like" to encounter planes.

You can of course use the mission editor to change the campaign.scr file and add as many more planes as you like (any you add will still be prone to the TC issue, but with more units in the air its more probable that one will jump into that 30km zone and detect you)

cawimmer430 12-13-09 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dread Knot (Post 1218088)
You have to remember that by 1944 the bulk of the shrinking Luftwaffe was devoted to defending the airspace over the Reich from the vast Allied bomber fleets that were grinding German cities to rubble. The German troops fighting the Allied invasion in Normandy developed a cynical saying; If the plane in the sky is silver, it's American, if it's blue, it's British, if it's invisible, it's ours!"


Definitely, I have not forgotten that.

But perhaps a handful of Messerschmitt BF-110 or Ju-88 Fighters (relatively maneuverable planes with long range capable of attacking Sunderland, B-24's and Catalina's) giving you some air cover would be great. I find it seriously ridiculous that I am literally being attacked the moment I leave port.

Weiss Pinguin 12-13-09 01:12 PM

I'm sure commanders back then did as well ;)

RoaldLarsen 12-13-09 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Draka (Post 1218405)
Ouch! Ya musta been pissed! That is a LOT of work .........How many moves were ya in?

I think we had put in 3 12-16 hour days when the CWMD* hit.



*CWMD = Cleaning Woman of Mass Destruction


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