Just for my curiosity, could you tell me about your sig' Castout?

Well I don't mind only if you're sincerely interested. PM me and I'll respond. It's an ordeal that caused me so far my life and health. I don't expect anybody to give care I only put my sig for those who knows and Ive learned silence IS NOT gold.

Basically I went through a horrific ordeal in 2002 caused by people in power in Singapore while I was doing my tertiary education there. In the end I was starved and refused call in their hospital for 3 days (until I was so thin) with a broken hand and injury to my spine and was only given food after I demanded to them as I was fed up being starved and it was a public hospital so I potentially could attract attention. I've been defamed as being schizophrenic which is of course a lie to cover up the ordeal.

I determined to refuse to cooperate by refusing to take the supposedly medication entirely otherwise people wouldn't believe me and went on to do another tertiary education(a wholly another degree) this time in my home country Indonesia to finish. I have hobbies such as modeling kit that is impossible to do by a schizophrenic sufferer.

All things that I've done proved that I'm not suffering from schizophrenia. You know lies NEVER STAND. The only way lie could stand is by the support of another lies Ha ha. The university which I studied in in Singapore sent me a fake letter about 2 years after I had started my study locally claiming that my doctor had declared me fit to resume my study and I wasn't seeing any doctor so it must have been another lie. It's been painful. Of course my grades got a special treatment too while studying in local university through grade manipulation which brought down my index quite a bit. It's a shame but the shame is not on me.

I've even come to believe that my own family are in this. They wouldn't want to listen to me at all. It's obvious to me that they are afraid very afraid. My own mother once yelled at me that I could become destitute [for not cooperating/yielding] Hahah and it was when I was still studying in a local university and of course she would never admit to have said that as she always dismissed other things that she actually said that hurt me. The only way I could be free is probably by obtaining asylum and moved to another country far away from Singapore influence. I've learned that Singapore has a lot to say in my home country.

I bet you wish you hadn't asked now.:eek:

Actually that's not an idiom of scientific investigation. Not even logical really when you think about it. You sound as naiive as Victor Zammit on his afterlife ramblings. Science dictates that you must have evidence to back up what you're saying; otherwise, you're nothing but talk. In short, you're claiming that you saw Jesus and that he does exist because you saw him- nothing more. I could claim that I saw the Flying Spaghetti Monster last night and that because I saw him he exists. But that would be all talk and no empirical substance, now wouldn't it? The burden of proof rests with you- the person who is asserting that something exists and is factual.

Science doesn't even bother commenting on such irrational and comical things as the supernatural anyway. Ghosts, magic and witchcraft, angels and demons . . . These things are fun to believe in, but they don't exist. Not in this reality anyway. Plenty of people claim they exist, but that's all they do. They never prove their existence with experiments or tests.

And no- I am being logical, as well as rational. And the simple fact of the matter is you are claiming that you saw an apparition of Jesus without providing any evidence for your statement. Then you claim that he exists and is as real as the rest of us are. You expect us to take your word for granted, but why should we? You've given us no reason to.

Oh- and here's one of Zammit's videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG3bG...e=channel_page

If you presented this kind of a testimony in front of a court, everybody in the room would burst out into laughter. Because it would not be practical! Like I said, you'd be expecting us all to just take your word for it. That kind of logic would be getting convicted murderers out of prison. They said that they didn't do it, so they must be telling the truth. Ignore all the contradicting evidence; let 'em go, baliff! With you, you're asking us to ignore your astounding LACK of evidence.

Then why bother bringing it up? You've either got some underlying motive here or you're out of your damn mind if you think you saw a magic man who's supposedly been dead for 2,000 years according to a book that says the planet is 6,000 years old and we all came from two people who damned our entire species because the woman, made from the man's rib (who was made from dust), took and ate an apple from a cursed tree at the will of a talking snake who was really an evil guy named Satan in control of the domain of the damned- Hell-- with a ball of light for a head.

How about facts? They're undeniable. Well- you can deny them, but you'd be incorrect to do so. For example, gravity is real. Throw something into the air and watch it fall. At 9.81 meters per second squared. I am real. I think, I breathe, I need to eat and drink or else I'll die, and I've been roaming the earth for 53 years as a member of the species we call Homo sapien. This planet is real. You walk upon the ground and feel its hard surface beneath your feet; you breathe the oxygen that makes up 21% of it's atmosphere. You know with this kind of "Is this real?" thinking, you should write a book that's a sequel to Alice in Wonderland.

Relying on words alone and not empirical confirmation wouldn't be wise...:shifty:

Actually, we've known since Copernicus' time that the planet was not flat. Thanks to the Church, however, and the statements in the Bible about Earth's place in the universe and solar system, it was punishable by death to say otherwise... because you were "contradicting God's divinity". They'd burn men of science at the stake because they were heretics challenging their childish and ancient mythological ideas with actual proof, instead of relying solely on the words of a fairy tale book.

No- because I'd be one of the people asking, "Where's your proof for this?"

I'd be executed as a heretic for this, along with other men of science, but there's a time to stand up for what you believe in a put your principles above personal gain.

Yeah- we call those people "philosophers". Even they thought that either a heliocentric or geocentric solar system was possible. Why Plato even argued it in his student lectures about astronomy.

Nope. Does the majority of belief in a Christian god make it reality?

Nope. Belief does not constitute fact. Never. Belief is nothing more than a form of opinion.

The state of existence within this dimension; i.e. gravity exists, the solar system exists, animals exist, etc.

Which is why we don't define it as that. Which is why some people carry out the scientific method to determine what exists and what doesn't, and to understand its existence (niche in the structure of existence, if you will). Does an experiment support or refute a hypothesis? How many experiments are there that confirm the hypothesis? What evidence exists for the hypothesis? These are questions scientists ask all the time.

Yeah, and? Nobody would ever be stupid enough to claim this.

Exactly why people don't claim that you're right or wrong when you make a claim that you're able to perform telekenesis, or in your case have seen Jesus. We simple ask, "Where's your evidence?" You've either got it or you don't. If you don't, then there's no valid reason to believe you. It's contradictory, actually.

I can tell that someone here has been neglecting to take their meds... your previous statements have made it quite clear that you have no concept at all of what existence within the universe is or reality. Bandying words aside, you can tell what is real or not for sure. You do it by performing a test. If someone asserts something as fact, you ask for their evidence. If they don't have any, then you can always test what they're proclaiming as fact. That guy who claimed he could move objects with his mind (which he dubbed the "Hutchinson Effect") was tested by being given various items- which he was then told to move with his mind. He couldn't. The simple conclusion: he cannot move objects with his mind. Nobody can. He's a human, just like the rest of us. If you think somebody else can, go out and prove it. This isn't rocket science; it's very basic high school science know-how.

This is not true. Atoms were defined as the smallest KNOWN particles. The keyword being KNOWN. Now, scientists are testing for the Higgs-Boson particle to confirm its existence, which would confirm their hypothesis that there is in fact something smaller than atoms. The scientific method at work.

Wow... that's... not new lol. This has been the idea behind science since its infancy thousands of years ago. That it is a "living" concept.

Well until it is proven to be, this is irrelevant. And there's nothing which has shown it to be. I'll say it again, this is how science has been working since its conception ages ago.

She's mimicking them; that's normal for all young humans. Since she was exposed to an environment filled with cats (and dogs; you're thinking of the Siberian girl), she behaves like them. That's like those "talking parrots". They don't talk, they're mimicking the sounds they're exposed to.

Oh- that's not schizophrenia then. Your "vision" of Jesus was a hallucination, brought on by acute stress on the body (i.e. your lack of food and water). It's a natural response that the body goes through when put under acute levels of stress. That's like castaways who think they can see ships and such on the horizon after being adrift at sea without food or water for days. In most cases, they succumb to thirst first and they drink seawater. Due to the high salt content, it dehydrates their bodies even more, and causes them to hallucinate more and act even more irrational. Very common among survivors of the USS Indianapolis, to name a prevalent example.

When I was in the war, there were plenty of times we were low on rations- and under constant strain from the Iraqis. Hallucinations were very common; later, you had people suffering from things like shellshock and psychosis as a result of the strain. I've hallucinated before, because I've gotten overheated and haven't properly hydrated myself or protected my skin from constant exposure to the sun's rays.

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Out of curiosity- why did the police detain you in Singapore? They had a reason, obviously. Otherwise, they wouldn't have bothered to have taken you to the hospital at all.:hmmm:

ROFLMAO!!! :rotfl2::rotfl2:

We as people have no idea of the level of God's ability to forgive.


@Castout :o
Get some help, bud.

Nowhere in the bible is the type of fruit specified, cant recall where the apple thing comes from, but thats nonsense from outside the bible. Then again, the bible is mostly full of nonsense with a few good ideas thrown in, like every other religious book I have read.

That depends, did they do it in allah's name? I hear you get great results if you do it in allah's name, like a free buffet ticket on fridays, or a coupon for a free swanson pork potpie.:hmmm:

Burn her at the stake:haha:

Its the mother-in-laws fault.:haha: Works for me.

Maybe they just left it out and someone who new about the apple part has kept the story alive. I mean, didnt church "edit" the bible quite abit during the years? Take stuff out or just dont include whole letters. Or is that just some conspiracy stuff, cant remember where I heard about it once.

wait... if all human life started with 2 people... THEN WERE ALL INBREEDERS!!!:o

I wounder how many people have actualy edited the bible.

PS dowly... your sig... lol

Yes, I've though about that aswell. We should all be more or less disfigured if the bible was true. :O:

lol... yea...

And if the ark thingy was true... then whered all that water go, did god pull a plug in the ocean floor we dont know about... lol

theres so mutch stuff that is 100% not possiable...

Religion was a really good way to control people back then tho...

Aye, true all that.

You know, I've been pondering. What if Jesus was the first ever conartist. You know the type who supposedly do a surgery with bare hands. People back then were very superstisious (or whatsamacallit), so maybe they just took it abit too seriously and blew it out of proportions. :hmmm: