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Schroeder 09-02-09 03:52 AM

In the He111 you should lock up your tail wheel before attempting to take off. You should also know that your brakes are connected to your rudder so if you step on the right rudder pedal and apply brakes only the right wheel will be braked (is that the right English word...sounds so strange...). This helps you to counter the engine torque and the slip stream of the propellers that want to sway your plane heavily to the left on take off. The rudder alone won't be enough because it is not located in the air stream coming from the propellers.
Even for experienced pilots the He111 can be a handful on the ground.

Maybe you should try to fly planes that can be controlled easier on the ground until you are familiar with their handling. I learned how to fly on an Il2. It is forgiving, stable and has a very sturdy landing gear.

Dowly 09-02-09 06:18 AM

And treat the joystick as yer dick, dont pull and yank it, it only prematurely ends the fun. :salute:

danlisa 09-02-09 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1164083)
And treat the joystick as yer dick, dont pull and yank it, it only prematurely ends the fun. :salute:

Yeah, that and try Drink. Everyone flies better when drunk.:DL

Dowly 09-02-09 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa (Post 1164088)
Yeah, that and try Drink. Everyone flies better when drunk.:DL

Most definitely. :D

Spike88 09-02-09 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1164032)
In the He111 you should lock up your tail wheel before attempting to take off. You should also know that your brakes are connected to your rudder so if you step on the right rudder pedal and apply brakes only the right wheel will be braked (is that the right English word...sounds so strange...). This helps you to counter the engine torque and the slip stream of the propellers that want to sway your plane heavily to the left on take off. The rudder alone won't be enough because it is not located in the air stream coming from the propellers.
Even for experienced pilots the He111 can be a handful on the ground.

Maybe you should try to fly planes that can be controlled easier on the ground until you are familiar with their handling. I learned how to fly on an Il2. It is forgiving, stable and has a very sturdy landing gear.

I finally flew the mission properly last night, on my second try. I guess I should bind a key to lock the tail wheel.

Whats the proper way to take off? Hold break and rev all the way up to 110% and then let go(which causes me to spin out of control most of the time). Or to throttle up to about 60 let go of the break, and then throttle up to 110%?



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Originally Posted by dowly
And treat the joystick as yer dick, dont pull and yank it, it only prematurely ends the fun

:rotfl:I have to be gentle with it either way because it pulls up and to the left. I need a new one.

Schroeder 09-02-09 09:32 AM

First thing in the He111 is to lock the tail wheel.
After that you can't do much wrong any more. You can hold the plane with the brakes if you want to but most runways are long enough to take off without revving the engines up before releasing the brakes. Always remember that planes with right turning engines will sway to the left on take off so it's best to already have some (in the 111 full) right rudder applied before you start to roll.
Just lock the wheel (which you don't have to do in most other planes) and play with the throttle as you like.

Only exception here are jets. With them you have to change your throttle settings very slowly to avoid ending as a fireball or getting a flameout.

Raptor1 09-02-09 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1164203)
Only exception here are jets. With them you have to change your throttle settings very slowly to avoid ending as a fireball or getting a flameout.

Only the German jets. The Soviet jets (And the Tank 183, I believe) are magic and cannot be destroyed in such manner, the American YP-80's engine has a tendency to simply stop functioning if you do it.

You don't have to lock the tailwheel in the 111 (I never do), just use the breaks often, very often.

Schroeder 09-02-09 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1164258)
You don't have to lock the tailwheel in the 111 (I never do), just use the breaks often, very often.

That is possible with experience and no crosswind. However I believe spike88 is not that experienced yet.
So I gave him an advice that should make it easier for beginners.;)

Raptor1 09-02-09 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1164276)
That is possible with experience and no crosswind. However I believe spike88 is not that experienced yet.
So I gave him an advice that should make it easier for beginners.;)

Hmm, good point, alright then.

Spike88 09-02-09 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1164203)
Only exception here are jets. With them you have to change your throttle settings very slowly to avoid ending as a fireball or getting a flameout.

That explains why my engines kept igniting in the AR-234.

Thanks for the advice. Giving it another go.

Schroeder 09-02-09 01:29 PM

Another advice for the 111 is not to taxi faster than 20km/h. If you exceed that speed you might spin around when cornering.

Raptor1 09-02-09 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1164387)
Another advice for the 111 is not to taxi faster than 20km/h. If you exceed that speed you might spin around when cornering.

Though that does give the 111 the ability to get off the runway in style after landing. :O:

Oberon 09-02-09 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1164394)
Though that does give the 111 the ability to get off the runway in style after landing. :O:


You spin me right round baby, right round....

Spike88 09-02-09 01:37 PM

Well, I just gave it another go. Take off was easy when I locked the tail wheel. :up: But I ended up spinning out of control and stalling when trying to level out to the right. I tried to bail, but we were to close to the ground. Which is mostly my joysticks fault. Apparently it doesn't go all the way to the right anymore. :damn: I can't seem to calibrate it, even with the logitech profiler, so I think I'll buy me a new one today.


If anyone has joystick suggestions post them here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...40#post1164440

Spike88 09-02-09 07:57 PM

Just tried a He-111 sortie with my new joystick. It went smoothly :yeah:

Almost crashed on the landing due to the plane before me losing its wing on the runway, but was able to recover.


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