Since the case of Natascha Kampusch in Austria three years ago, several such cases like this new one have been revealed in several different western countries. Plus the huge systematic child abuse cases in Belgium, Ireland, England, North America, that made it through the press up and down in past years, and sometimes even involving the church, and parents letting their babies starve to death for carelessness and desinterest, even torturing them to death - many such cases in Germany.

I assume the bitter and sad truth is that child kidnapping and child abuse - random crimes as well as planned crimes and systematic and ongoing, almost business-operation-like mass crimes - just happen again - right now, and in every nation.

It's a huge market out there. - We need more social therapists - not. :dead:

When banning child porno sites on the web gets fought against by providers because they lose the income for leasing services regarding webspace used for displaying that, and even reasonable-minded users put hysteric fears of total censorship of the media over banning such sites (Germany), then something is deeply rotten in our "cultural" climate, and not just in some perverted individuals, but in our society itself, and the ruleset by which it operates. In other words we do not talk about sporadic symptoms, but vital and essential substance rotting from within.

We care so much for all and everything and are deeply alarmed over any possible eventuality that we stun ourselves and freeze in total collective paralysis. With the result of nothing effective getting done. Our ways have become far too complex. we do not master the complexity we let off the chain. So now the beast is eating up ourselves.

If this would ever happen to my daughter. I find the f**ker... I would slowly kill him without a doubt. And his wife would join him next.

I don't give a rats ass about the law when it comes to this kind of crap. Did the law protect her? No.

That's what I would do..

If I didn't make an example of this scumbag I failed as a father to my child.

Look at how many other people he's attacked and attempted to grab. He's a danger and a very sick person.

This is the only justice he needs.

A person thinking he/she can decide while being in a state of aroused emotions, is wrong. In fact, he/she gets decided.

And not only killing them, but doing it intentionally slow and painfull, does not serve "justice" of any kind, but only serves your personal hunger for revenge.

Wanna lower yourself that much - and although not even being personally effected?

Determination in adressing the issue/the offender, is sufficient.

The guy is most likely also a serial killer. They've found several corpses of prostitutes near a place where he used to work. I guess that girl was lucky not to have been killed.

Terrible I just hope the victim has enough strength and courage to finally let of of her ordeal and traumatic experience and live a happy life. When talking this kind of thing the victim is not only suffering from physical abuses but probably gets more psychological abuses too that should not receive less attention.
This kind of ordeal could break a man's spirit or even driving her to the edge of insanity depending on how much abuse she took and how much strength she carried within her.

I repect alot of what you say Skybird in many threads here. And many other members. I said IF this would happen to my daughter and she was in this situation. Its a personal attack to my family. This has nothing to do with lowering one self.

Still IF the roles turn out similar. They find her, I would act on revenge. I believe in eye for an eye.

I leave the laws to the sheep and there shepherds.

Agreeing with this, I will protect my family with my life and if I fail to defend my(future) daughter then I will make sure the person who did this never feels the warmth of the sunlight of have the use of his penis for the rest of his life, and if he hit her then his hands get ripped off slowly.

hmm... this guy diserves midevil jailing/punishment.

aaahhh... he would enjoy the bed of spikes, the stretching table... and a cell filled with straw... and he would have to S*** in a whole...

people like this dont deserve a jail cell with bed, makeing tax payers pay for it... they need to pay for what they do...

:nope:

To me the whole thing is symptomatic of contemporary society.

There were clues aplenty but yet everyone looked the other way, chose not to invade, live and let live, and so forth.

This was a tragity that could have been averted much sooner if society was still a society.

Whats in your back yard ?

I don't buy this.

Any father I've ever met would feel the same way about their child.

In any case, there is a fatal flaw in your argument, Skybird ... you allowed for the perpetrator of the heinous crime a leeway for their emotional response, but then went on to fault the relative of the victim for their response.

To be honest, I'd hate for your idea of "its not really their fault" to become mainstream, as it would invite anyone to commit the crime under those auspices.

In the end, a human being - aroused or not - is faced with the ability to consciously make a choice. The difficulty of that choice is irrelevent when confronted with the moral standards society sets forth.

Wolfhunter,

I indeed misread your posting and that you were basing on the case of "what if MY kid would...". But again I say: being determined, is one thing, being intentionally cruel is something different.


Aramike,

first part of what you replied to me is due to my misunderstanding as explained above, so I will leave that first part of your answer unadressed since i see your motivation was basing on my mislead answer to Wolfhunter - my fault. But the following - oh my...

And where have I said that idea of "it is not really their fault"? i remember clearly that I spoke of "determination".

And I said chosing to be determined is sufficient, while chosing to take revenge may tease aroused emotions, but is not to be mistaken with justice.

But not only wanting to kill an offender, but doing it intentionally slow and painful? Last time I checked, that was not part of neither Western or Amerian society's standards, or content of American law codes. Even legal executions are not allowed by any US law to be intentionally painful (although not rarely they are).

Its ok Sky. I miss read post too time to time. :yep:

Still you last line.. Again I don't care about the laws. I follow my own rules. At the moment there in sync with current system.

I have sightly different values than what the laws say we can and we can not do. I know right from wrong skybird. It requires some common sense.

People who do these kind of crimes in my eye are wild animals who feverishly can't control there innate instincts. The system failed to protect there citizens in this case. They've should have caged this animal years ago.

Thankfully our lives haven't been disrupted by chaotic events so we're nsync. :03:

I agree with your comments, other than to say that a creature who does this to a child--kidnap, rape, toture, imprison, impregnate, brainwash--is most definitely not a human being, and does not need to be treated as such. This man was a monster in every sense of the word. He needs to be put down.

Agreed.....he is of absolutely no use to society.

I agree. Well put.