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OneToughHerring 08-24-09 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1157833)
I never said I wanted him to be shot now.

Yea that's right, in the justice system of your mind his statute of limitations has passed, right?

August 08-24-09 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157835)
Yea that's right, in the justice system of your mind his statute of limitations has passed, right?

No statute of limitations on murder here in the US.

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1157925)
No statute of limitations on murder here in the US.

So why do you think he shouldn't be shot/gassed/poisoned/whatever today for his crimes?

August 08-24-09 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157929)
So why do you think he shouldn't be shot/gassed/poisoned/whatever today for his crimes?

Because it would violate the law.

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1157932)
Because it would violate the law.

But morally you hold him culpable for murder(s), even today?

Aramike 08-24-09 03:13 PM

I agree with August. Calley should have been shot.

August 08-24-09 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1157977)
But morally you hold him culpable for murder(s), even today?

Sure, don't you?

OneToughHerring 08-24-09 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1158089)
Sure, don't you?

Yea of course. Not that I expect the US military to pass any kind of judgement on their own, that kind of stuff goes against their ways.

August 08-24-09 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1158096)
Yea of course. Not that I expect the US military to pass any kind of judgement on their own, that kind of stuff goes against their ways.

Then clearly you know nothing about the US or it's military.

Aramike 08-24-09 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1158208)
Then clearly you know nothing about the US or it's military.

Of course he doesn't. He's one of those, shall we say, limited individuals who thinks that the worst case tiny minority represents the whole.

Max2147 08-24-09 10:46 PM

Had the laws been properly applied to Calley and his superiors/subordinates, he would have been lined up against a wall and shot. The failure in this case came from the people in the system, not the system itself.

Why did the people in the system fail to properly use it? That's never been publicly explained. My uneducated guess (having not studied the case closely) is that a full investigation and trial would have revealed some unpleasant truths that the military wanted to keep quiet, possibly including the involvement/negligence of superiors and/or additional massacres. But I have no real evidence to back that up.

FIREWALL 08-24-09 11:09 PM

Trying to apply Todays standards to the 1960's is ridiculous.
In a combat zone in the 60's you could be shot for disobeying a direct order.

Talk in the 1950's (Taill Gunner Joes era) like we do today and you would be jobless and probably get the hell beat out of you on a regular basis.


OneToughHerring 08-28-09 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL (Post 1158228)
Trying to apply Todays standards to the 1960's is ridiculous.
In a combat zone in the 60's you could be shot for disobeying a direct order.

Talk in the 1950's (Taill Gunner Joes era) like we do today and you would be jobless and probably get the hell beat out of you on a regular basis.

That's no excuse for what Calley did.

There is another similar case, the Tiger Force and it's actions. Their crimes took place before My Lai massacre and if brought out into open might have prevented the massacre. As it is we only found out about the TF's crimes in 2002. And there are probably other similar cased that are still kept from public eye from the Vietnam war.


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