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Originally Posted by Kapteeni Rantala (Post 1153481)

Sorry, but no German or Romanian submarine was sunk at Black Sea by the Soviet submarines during World War II. Germany had only six submarines on Black Sea and Romania had one - none were sunk by Soviet submarines. This is another one of the many tall tales the Soviets claimed.

Doesn't matter what the Soviets claimed; their submarines did not sink more than around 248,310 tons of shipping during the entire war. Greater figures have been debuffed by the fact that they are not supported by naval losses suffered by Axis and neutral nations attacked by Soviet submarines - numbers do did not exist only in what the Soviets claimed; they exist in ships that are at the bottom of the seas - and enough are not at the bottom of the sea to support figures greater than around 248,310 tons.

About soviet sinkings - you need read soviet submarine attacks in my database and see results. After it you can see Rohwer books and see what autor write about soviet attacks submarines. I another talk, that Rohwer books have false data. And all books base in Rohwer books have false data also. It's easy - simple see Rohwer desribe soviet submarine attacks and see what was in real life... It's easy. After it you can see himself, that Rohwer books is false.

About 30 flotilla u-boats - my be you can talk me about german submarines what was raise after war in Constanca? :D As i remember soviet navy raise 3 sunk german submarines what was sunk after air attacks in Contanca in 1944 year.

Since this is a Atlantic/Mediterranean sim then I think from a Real history viewpoint the only option for an expansion would be Italian subs, I don't think there's quite enough target opportunities for the allies. My own preference would be for a Japanese add-on but that might take some increased game engine adjustments to accommodate.

They could however go down the "Alternate history" route in a world where the Germans fully conquered North Africa and were winning WW2, so had increased amount of shipping for the allies to sink.

Either way I think these pehaps slightly less "commercial" options like Italian or Japanese subs would benefit more from a downloadable content approach through something like Steam etc, rather than an in-store shelf occupying retail method.

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Originally Posted by WEBSTER (Post 1153434)

why dont we wait for the game before we start asking to spend $ to buy extra expansions

Because by that time the devteam will probably have been broken up/ substantially reduced and assigned to other projects as has happened previously and the chance of development would be slim. By getting in early Ubi may realise the product "has legs" the team is in place and consider developing addons.

The expansions I'd like would be

- Playable surface ships/campaign.
- Pacific Theatre
- Royal Navy
- wolfpack strategy (if it's not already in SH5)
- real world ports (much less generic than the ports of sh3/sh4)

Hypothetical WW2 scenarios are right next to cold war scenarios,mostly useless in a realistic sim.

Regia Marina and Royal Navy sub campaigns would benefit from the game's setting in a future expansion.

SH6 will feature fleet boats sure enough!

IMHO SH5 should support expansion for both sides. That is, allow the player to be either Allied (US, Dutch, UK) or Axis (German, Japanese, Italian) through addition of expansions/mods. With one installation.

Thus it doesn't need to ship (punny) this way--standard U-boat fare would be sufficient for release--but it would be nice if it gave modders the ability to add new playable subs to either side.

Of course, from a capitalist (profit) perspective this won't happen as it effectively cuts the need for a separate Pacific based follow up using the same engine with tweaks (sound familiar?), but it would be nice.

Actually, I thought that there will be Destroyer Command 2 insted of SH5. And I would like to have finalised Silent Hunter engine, which icludes all proposed functionality operationa, and which will host numerous addons with extra staff.

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann (Post 1152713)

If they have to choose one escort the sloops (Frigates in SH3) escorted convoys from day one and the early ones like the Bittern and Grimsby are basically early Black Swan class so would be an easy update from 39-45.
The sloops were also used as hunter Killers so would add another campaign for player.

I agree, good expansion idea, it would be great to be a Brit AS vessel

Wulfmann

Seconded :up: ( Hi Bob )