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Torplexed 07-12-09 11:06 AM
I think Golden Rivet meant blackmail. ;)

GoldenRivet 07-12-09 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 1132864)
I think Golden Rivet meant blackmail. ;)
hahahahahaha

there you go... corrected

i guess i didnt realize it was spelled that way

Jimbuna 07-12-09 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1132805)
See what happens when Jim retires from the force. :down: Get back to the beat Jim.:nope:
LOL :DL

I'm now classed officially as a 'pensioner'....someone in receipt of a pension, but not the type usually awarded to a recognised person of pensionable age (in state pension terms) :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1132825)

Murder/manslaughter statistics are a much better way of comparing
countries as the definition of killing is much more universal.
Right on the money Letum :yeah:

Come on Sub...lets be having you :know:

Morts 07-12-09 11:56 AM
flame bait

CastleBravo 07-12-09 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Letum (Post 1132825)
It's idiocy to attempt to compare violent crime statistics.
Different countries count violent crime in very different ways, record it in
different ways and publish it in different ways.

One country may count threatening behavior as a violent crime, another
may not. There is no standard.
Further more, in some countries one does not go to the police if one is
punched outside a bar, whilst in other countries one does. Countries
with a violent culture do not police violent crime as much.

Murder/manslaughter statistics are a much better way of comparing
countries as the definition of killing is much more universal.
I see what you mean.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ar/8021185.stm

Schroeder 07-12-09 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Morts (Post 1132889)
flame bait
What else did you expect?;)

SUBMAN1 07-12-09 12:20 PM
The reason for the flame bait is to turn the thread into what it is not.

All I see above is someone throwing out the source of the article, not the source of the information as the reason to discount it. The source of the information is not the DailyMail.

So I'm waiting for someone to disprove the information.

BTW, the definition of violent crime is even across the EU and America. So while the same thing may not apply for an undeveloped country, it does for all others.

So, who is the first to disprove this? Let me guess, NONE OF YOU CAN! :D

-S

PS. Can we get back on track? Or do we have to start a brand new thread on the subject?

OneToughHerring 07-12-09 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1 (Post 1132904)
BTW, the definition of violent crime is even across the EU and America. So while the same thing may not apply for an undeveloped country, it does for all others.
How about you prove that statement first.

SUBMAN1 07-12-09 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1132906)
How about you prove that statement first.
Sorry. No need to. I asked for you to prove mine first. Read the report if you feel like seeing what countries define what as violent.

-S

Biggles 07-12-09 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1 (Post 1132710)
I wonder if this has anything to do with the lack of guns over there? :D 100% chance.
You are 100% sure this would be the reason? Would you please give us proof/information that supports your view in this matter?

GoldenRivet 07-12-09 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1132906)
How about you prove that statement first.
its fact.

not all nations have the same laws.

Assault - wherein you threaten the use of violence

Battery - wherein you USE violence

they both might be considered a violent crime in Country "A"

but in country "B" - assault might not be considered a "violent crime" by their legal definitions.

SUBMAN1 07-12-09 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1132910)
its fact.

not all nations have the same laws.

Assault - wherein you threaten the use of violence

Battery - wherein you USE violence

they both might be considered a violent crime in Country "A"

but in country "B" - assault might not be considered a "violent crime" by their legal definitions.
Those are the definitions used in the USA, though most people assume assault is physically hurting that person. All of the EU as far as I understand have the same definition.

-S

OneToughHerring 07-12-09 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1 (Post 1132908)
Sorry. No need to. I asked for you to prove mine first. Read the report if you feel like seeing what countries define what as violent.

-S
You're asking other people to disprove your empty statements? How about you prove the US isn't the most violent western industrialised nation.

Biggles 07-12-09 12:30 PM
Let's see what wikipedia says about the matter of murder rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

["Homicide rates per 100,000 population by region and subregion, 2004"[

North America, 6.5 (rate)

Europe, 5.4 (rate)

SUBMAN1 07-12-09 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1132915)
You're asking other people to disprove your empty statements? How about you prove the US isn't the most violent western industrialised nation.
Join the discussion about it instead of making misleading accusations. Its called - being constructive.

-S


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