Yeah, I only noticed when looking for pics of any WW2 US subs with camo. I came across the first link I put up and had just read your post saying you had seen it listed as O-16, that made me google the K-2 where I found the wiki link with the same pic.

After looking at the link you just put up, check the pictures of the O-16 above. I think they are actually mistaken. This profile of K-3 looks alot like picture of the camoflaged boat, the other pics of O-16 have a very different profile.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_K-3_1914.jpg

It looks to me like it is indeed the K Class. I am just learning this stuff myself and it is amazing how many times websites can be incorrect and misleading.

Yeah...I'm new to this as well. Learning as I go.

So it would make sense that it is a K-class, since ichso's is a K-class. Maybe after the K-class they stopped using the dazzle on subs :06:. I say that because I have not been able to find any other submarine photos done in dazzle. Other than these 2 we are discussing.

You seem to be good at finding photos. Have you found any other submarine photos done in dazzle, besides these 2 boats?

Hm, I think the dazzle camo doesn't make much sense for submarines anyway. Because submarines are supposed to be invisible as long as possible and to dive before they get into sighting range.
But the dazzle scheme was used to irritate enemies, that have already spotted the camouflaged ship. So it's purpose was to make range finding, AoB estimation and stuff like that really hard. But it is still contradictory to not being spotted at all. And the submarine's best camouflage was their lack of a huge exhaust smoke funnel and a large silhouette. That's why they mostly used plain color schemes as 'camouflage'. To fit the assumed color of the ocean under as many different circumstances as possible whereas the purpose of dazzle camo had nothing to do with hiding.

Nice skin...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2224/...cfe47f8b0f.jpg
lol, If that wouldnt get a guy knoticed... nothing will.:rotfl:

Hi...this might seem like a silly question, but is the color of the Pacific ocean the same color throughout? Or is it green here and blue there kinda thing?

I don't know for sure either but I would guess that the color changes from the coasts to the open ocean at least. And the pacific theater went all the way from north to south for the fleet boats so a camo scheme cannot accomodate for all of that.

Also different daytimes and weather conditions have to be taken into consideration so there wasn't really any camouflage that would make a ship hard to spot during the whole journey.

Thank you! Your pics are K-5 with the narrow stripes and K-2 with the wide stripes in 1916. Four subs were used with varying widths of zebra stripes. Testing revealed that all schemes actually made the boats easier to see! I'm going to use the narrow stripe pattern just as soon as I get a chance! This is great! I love both S-Boat dazzle skins! Keep 'em available, please.

There is a tantalizing piece of info over at navsource:

I understand why you would put stripes on something, (zebras for example) they break up the outline etc. But wouldn't stripes on a ship just make it easier to spot? When you are shooting from a sub you don't really need to see the outline.

Thank you RR. Just goes to show myself that I need to be more thorough when researching these things.

I found the 'quote' interesting. That a dark blue color was determined to be a good scheme. And it seems natural to use a shade of blue.

Now we have another skin to make :|\\.

I put up a book scan in ichso's skin thread of another boat, I don't know the class. There are not many pics, and most seem to be K -Class.

As for Dazzle or any painted camo on submarines, every historical look at Naval camo in the 20th century says it was done to confuse submarines, and subs having them seems pointless. So nobody seems to claim it was logical to put it on subs. BUT they did in fact do it, and in my opinion they look friggin cool if impractical. Since it does not matter one way or the other to the AI in game I will go with what looks friggin cool! :up:

Well I served 3 years in the Pacific, and in my homes in either Vancouver or San Diego I am within a couple miles of the coast. I have seen alot of the Pacific. It certainly changes depending on where you are.

The main reason they came up with Dazzle in the first place was because there is no one color that will work. Look at Navies today, some are grey, some greenish-grey.. some are robin's egg blue. It may be perfect on an overcast day, but you stand out on a clear day etc. Dazzle was the acceptance of "we are going to be seen", so they just tried to make it hard to judge shape, heading, speed etc. Remember these would have only been seen through a periscope and would have looked different then we seem them in the photos.

The pic of the USS West Mahomet that Task Force re-posted just above is the perfect example. Just imagine trying to place the bow on that, in rough seas in the North Atlantic, through a periscope. What Task Force is missing is that nobody expected it to ever conceal, it is meant to confuse.

~ Edit.. All this Dazzle talk really does make we want a WWI subsim based on the SH engine... imagine DDs painted up all pretty like the one in my sig... ahhhh

Thanks Highbury.

I think i would like to nail down this dark blue they used. Then skin a sub. :yep:.

Well the USN had a number for all the colors, and patterns they used. If you can find the number then it would be pretty easy. Actually modelling websites have alot of info on the colors used by USN ships, example:

http://www.steelnavy.com/usnchips.htm

The book discussed on that site about US Camo patterns called SHIPS-2, I have found a link to the 1942 revision 2 if that is of any use:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/camo/index.htm


Hope that helps

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Why does my Avatar say The Chinese Sailor in Japanese under it? lol

Thank you vm...very useful link. :up:

LOL...yeah, well...post a bunch today and by tonight you'll be another character :har:.

Look at my avatars fancy hat :o.

I believe if you contribute $ you can choose a custom avatar.

LOL You got MEDIC!!!:O: well... It could be worse.:rotfl:

He is at 168.... his "One Night In Bankok" is comin'... 179 IIRC