"Other" makes up a big chunk of the pie. I guess thats where Pelosi's widdle mousey gets its share.

Yes, other would be the earmarks. Funny anything was left for 'OTHER'. I hope other is not lining the pockets of more failing companies. The need to fail. We always find out something better comes along to replace the failing company. :yep:

Here's whats funny Steamwake. Or maybe not so funny.

There is no money in the stimulus for a mouse, nor it's habitat.

Doesn't exist. It's fiction. Yet you repeat it, and you repeat it. How do you account for this? You are not alone of course. The Republicans have been repeating the fallacy again and again. It's been repeated on those so called liberal media outlets like CNN and MSNBC, and, of course, a hundred times on Fox and by fools like Hannity.

But, doesn't it matter to any of you that it just isn't true at all?

Pelosi's field mouse:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...stimulus-deal/

This is the part I like:

How do she know or anyone for that matter? No one read the friggin bill!

Did you read the article I linked?

The article you linked to is the very one that has been debunked.

Instead of linking to a hundred more, go here, where you'll see this myth debunked by, well, everyone, using a simple google news search of the words "pelosi" and "mouse".

Now if that isnt a 'couched' statement I've never read one.

So, I just produced pages upon pages of articles proving your mouse story is lie,and your sticking by your guns? Well, that's rich....

I guess if it fits your political view, fact and fiction isn't relevant.....

No look perhaps the mousey story was "mostly" wrong. Its not about that particular mouse.

Its more about Barry's blatent lie that "There is no pork in this bill".

How can we determine it is a far fetched tale? I still have not seen the bill posted online. A Pelosi spokesman said it fabricated by the Repulicans. I take everything that comes off Capital Hill with a grain of salt. :yep:

Horse feathers, sir!

You said mouse. Fox said mouse. Hannity said mouse. You didn't say Pork. You didn't say Obama. You said Pelosi. You said mouse!

You are conducting "Spin" on behalf of your party, sir. For shame!

Today I heard that Kalifornia has the highest unemployment rate in 25 years. Funny though that everywhere I go I see "help wanted" signs...:hmmm:

Sigh...

And I pointed you in the direction of many articles telling you it's a fallacy, what the real story is, how the fallacy was created, who's to blame, and even includes a statement from a republican spokesperson saying exactly what I'm saying!

Sign...

You believe everything at face value? :06: I don't. That is just me :D Besides Enigma, what is a day without some heated discussion between you, me, Sea Deamon, August, Zachstar? Did I miss anyone:hmmm: It would just not feel right. :D

Both you and AVG are somewhat mistaken. The bill provides for a categorical grant of 30-50 milllion for the purpose of wetlands restoration. That is, the money must be spent to fund approved agencies and programs within that field.
Amongst the qualifying programs is one to study and aid Pelosi's "field mouse".

True, it does not say anywhere that the money allocated is intended only for that effort. True, some money is going to this dumb mouse.
The Repubs are probably exaggerating by claiming that 30 million is slated for this mouse alone, but all that money is going for California wetlands restoration.

These people are playing political games with our money. Buying votes, buying influence, buying support. Both sides do it, and they always have. And the American people are just as guilty for letting these people have the power to do that in the first place.

The Constitution was written the way it was for a reason. The Federal legislature was never given authority to provide grants of any kind. State legislators use grants to "buy" votes by providing promised programs or initiatives at the expense of the rest of the nation. The Fed uses those grants to coerce states to comply with Federal mandates.
It isn't supposed to be this way.

The Founders realized the dangers of such unrestricted spending, and they took great care to prevent it, although they were not successful. The whole point of the conservative argument in this case is that this kind of spending cannot and should not be tolerated, whether the cause is a field mouse or an ecosystem.

The harms of our bickering and corrupt legislature are immediately apparent to everyone, I'm sure. Their failures are myriad. Why is everyone asking whether this decision was right or wrong rather than, why do we let these people have the power to make such decisions in the first place? The U.S. Government has a very strictly defined role in society. Expansion beyond that role gives them more power than they should be trusted with, and power corrupts, whether by intent or political neccessity.

Priorities and political arguments are not the issue here. Political power is.

Warhawk - Truth be damned. :dead:

Undersea - While not disputing your post,the conversation we are having here is simple, and not about political power. It's about the simple fact that the right, from the senate floor to Subsim, are repeating an outright lie, and don't have the balls to admit it even when confronted with overwhelming facts. Your point is certainly worthy of discussion, but respectfully, it ain't what we're talking about.....

$30 million is the dollar amount going to the California Coastal Conservancy for "shovel ready" projects. That agency is hoping to spend money on wetland conservation, conversion of industrial salt marshes, increasing flood protection to homes and business', moving levees. The largest projects, the purchase of Cargill salt ponds for restoration, was supported, endorsed and funded by the Bush administration. It will create at least 100 jobs. At least. Flood control, jobs, conservation.

This is what we are talking about. This is a program that creates jobs and improves infrastructure. It does what it's designed to do. And yet this mouse nonsense keeps being repeated despite the facts, because it's politically convenient lie for Steamwake and Rep. Mike Pence (R) and Joe Scarborough. And, because today, that what I've chosen to be pissed off about :)