Then screw em. We need serious anti-outsource laws to end this madness.

Can you imagine how much damage small biz has taken from outsourcing? How can you compete with a company which can pay half its workforce the equivalent of a few dollars an hour?!

They have no loyalty to the nation yet want the tax breaks to continue.

Madness...

Yep but I often wonder how much pay adds to the bottom line compared to environmental regulations. We are (or at least used to be) the most productive workers in the world. It stands to reason we should be paid more, but waste water and emissions treatment are pretty expensive.

The consumers quest for lower prices is also a large part of why your calls for "anti-outsourcing" laws will never happen. There are actual reasons why costs of doing business in America remains high. Over-burdening taxes are only part of the problem. It's also, as said above, other government interference like for example in the auto industry. Environmental mandates for cars that the American markets don't support. To say businesses have no loyalty to the nation is purely bunk. They are in business to make money. The government does not own these businesses, but the government has the ability to foster an environment they can do business in, expand, and create a local workforce. Reducing some of the unneeded regulation (where worker or consumer safety is not concerned) and tax reductions would go a long way to solving the outsourcing problem. And even though August may throw a hissy fit, and threaten us with another Democrat vote, of course, you have to be willing to vote for people less likely to use the governmental interference model.

I disagree with one point.

The only way to pay off the debt is to make Congress stop spending more than they take in. Some think this is done by raising taxes to bring more in; I think it can only be done by forcing Congress to live within their means.

Not that that will ever happen, but I have to dream about something.

It is madness. But, business men being business men only think of their business. Workers are SS# on their payroll. The government is nothing but a FID# that requires a % to be sent quarterly. Being as things are with big business, incentives to build my factory in say Poland for a better tax situation offsets any transportation costs by a large enough margin inclusive of workers payroll etc. It becomes very easy to see why ABC Widget Company goes offshore.

I agree Steve. Although, there is alot of fraud, waste, and abuse that also needs to be slashed completely. In addition, I am curious by those who see tax increases as an end all. That usually fosters less economic activity, and reverses growth trends. Meaning eventually, less taxable sources from which to derive your tax base from.

Correct, China is assuming our debt. Soon we will be owned by China.

Even China will no longer buy our long term bonds.

And on the "Tax the rich front"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1235...mEditorialPage

Wait Steamwake. Didn't you know that the "rich" is a re-definable term? :88)

Yep, soon we will all be "re-educated" to realize that we are all rich. :yep:

A point I overlooked in all this tax the 2% talk they have a name for that "Re-distribution of wealth" also known as socialisim.