Ah so infant mortality isn't a measure because you don't like the results , fair enough perhaps you have a point .
So if infant mortality is no good then how about mortality itself ?
Does a "socialist" country like Sweden with its cradle to grave universal healthcare have a longer life expectancy than free market America ?
:hmmm: perhaps they count people as dead differently too .

On the other hand Swedens suicide rate is significantly higher than that of the United States so apparently Sweden isn't the acme of health care, at least in the mental health area, that you claim it is.

Ah of course , mental health , them suiciders must be crazy . So you beat Sweden by a massive proportion of 2/100,000
Then again murderers are crazy too , so how does your murder rate compare ?
Ooops looks like you fail even worse on the mental health issue too :yep:

You mean Michael Moore isn't telling the whole truth?

Oh no!

Thanks for that. I'll be sure to watch FOX News and Crossfire from now on to get an unbiased view of the world.

Yeah, you're right. Every society on Earth is *exactly* the same and there are no cultural differences that would effect mortality rates. :rolleyes:

I mean, it's not like countries such as the United States have populations over 30 times that of Sweden and are far more ethinically diverse... But why bother with such trivialities when you already found the singular statistic to support your haphazard argument?

Sure, there's probably no way that such larger nations, with larger populations and economies, AND world influence, would face different circumstances than a nation such as Sweden... And it seems impossible that those circumstances would result in different health care needs and mortality rates...

Oh, and we know for a fact that it's all measured using the same stick... :doh:

PS: I'm not discounting Infant Mortality Rates because I don't like the results, as you claim. I was very specific in that I'm discounting them due to the numbers coming from different standards. Funny how you ignored that very CLEAR assertion. But, alas, I suppose it does your argument no good to interject some intellectual honesty into it.

*Sigh* The world will never be rid of people who justify the deceitful behaviors of one entity by citing their perceived deceitful behaviors of another...

Here's a novel idea: how about taking every bit of information that you're interested in and analyze and research its veracity for yourself?

Where do you get the idea that all murderers are crazy? And yes 2/100k is a fair number in a population of 300 million.

In the 60's they had some dim views about allot of things.

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This 'suicide rate' argument is stupid as an an indicator of the viablity of different health services.

If 2 per 100,000 is significant, then please explain why the male suicide rate in the UK is 4 per 100,000 less than the USA. To use this argument then the US should immediately change to a 'socialist' system like the NHS.

Surely the number of suicides reflects many more factors than the standard of health care - I don't think it can be used to provide an accurate comparison.

Although our taxes pay for the NHS, of course, our current tax rate for 'average' incomes is 22%, so it would be within a US budget - no 60% stoppage rates would be required.

Personally, I have mixed feelings about free healthcare. First of all, it is a misnomer anyway , as many NHS services such as prescriptions have to be paid for, and NHS dental care is a reduced rate, rather than free. My personal experience of the NHS has been overwhelmingly positive. I could afford private care, but have found NHS provision to be sufficient for my needs. Waiting lists can be a problem, though, especially if your condition is not life-threatening.

I think it comes down to a more fundamental philosophical issue in many ways - what is the responsiblity of a state's government to its people? I think most would agree that those responsiblities would include protecting its citizens from harm generally - that is surely the reasons that police and armed forces exist. It doesn't seem too illogical to me that proctecting citizens from the harm caused by ill health should probably be a duty of the elected government, too.

Truly another era......"cough, cough, hack, wheeze...."

I bet Obama wouldn't mind recieving one of those cartons as a gift... :arrgh!:

No more stupid than infant mortality rates calculated by dissimilar methods.

Hey my Friend, you really didnt know that Otto von Bismarck was a hardcore Socialist, giving Germany a Social Security System back in 1883. :haha::har:
He was a Commie,it must be true, they said it on Fox News.
:haha::har:
Of corse everything is only good when it comes from the USA, all other Nations on this Planet are so stupid, or they are Socialist,or even worse they are Commies.
At next they will say the have the best School System from this Planet.:haha::har:

Zombie Reagan '12:woot: