Aw, c'mon Sky. We make bad war movies about everybody, including ourselves, and we watch them all the time. :D

Cruise really wasn't that good, though, imo. So I'd agree with that. Actually, you could clip Cruise's expressions from most of that movie, and paste them over his face in a lot of his other movies, and nobody would notce.

I really just went to see ww2-era uniforms and equipment rendered in an enjoyable and realistic fashion. I'd recommend it just for that, and for being the first major "hollywood" war movie in a while that didn't have some star gunning down dozens of axis troops at a time, in the guise of "historical accuracy"

Not quite in the same category as Letters from Iwo Jima or Flags of our Fathers, but it was enjoyable enough.

Ha, I watched "Letters" yesterday for the second time, to refresh my first impression from it's DVd release. It's an okay movie, but nothing more. "Flags" I simply found extremely boring, and shallow. both movies I do not rank amongst Eastwood's better movies (as director). His most mature director's works probably are "The Bridges of Madison Country" and "Million Dollar Baby". "Unforgiven" also was a very good character movie.

But "Bridges" I like best of them all. Very mature, and sensible.

You are correct. All I can see, is Tom cruise, wearing a nazi uniform, jumping up and down on oprah's couch, saying; "scienctology uber alles."

He's a freak, I can't even stand top gun anymore.:roll: :rotfl:

And how would that have changed after Hitlers death? The Russians would not just stop and go home, they wanted revenge for everything that happened the years before.
And the west allied forces would just abandon the war, now that they were sure to win it, leaving their Russian allies alone and go home?
Well the west allied pushed through Germany and reached even parts which later became east Germany. They pulled back and gave the Russians the teritory they had originaly conquered. Russia would have never settled without revenche and compensation from Germany and I highly doubt the west allied were looking for trouble with Russia.

This is not a typical Tom Cruise attack, rather a typical attack on the American "let's remake a foreign film with American voices so we don't need to read subtitles".

Seriously, if you wanna see the story from a German perspective with original voices, then go watch the German film, which was made just a couple of years earlier (2004):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388437/

I highly doubt that I will be watching the Tom Cruise version before it's aired in television... :lol:

Go home? Where did i write that? I meant opening the west front as stopping any serious resistance and letting the allies occupy Germany while throwing all material to the East Front holding up the russians as long as possible. The outcome of the war could not be changed anymore but it was still possible for Germany to influence how far the russians could march into Central Europe by diverting the forces in France and Italy to the East ...
Never wrote that too - opening the front means letting the Allies in ...
Churchill at least hadn't much sympathy for the russians anymore (if he really ever had). The parts of East Germany which became part of the russian zone were traded in for West Berlin. If the western allied would have originally captured Berlin this deal wouldn't be necessary, yes? Maybe the west would have traded East Berlin for parts of East Prussia or Poland then but this is something that couldn't be influenced anymore.

GT forum, summer 2007, on german movies made about Stauffenberg:

That material had been given in an in-depth documentation that was broadcasted last year.

Carotio probably is right. Ignoring the latest historian's reassessements of the figure of stauffenberg, the German film from 2004 probably is the best you can see so far.

@Lurchi

Ah, o.k. I think I misunderstood you then.:D

Many people must realize that the plot by Stauffenberg wasn't the only attempt on Hitlers life. There where a total of 15 attempts to kill him and all failed. I do know that both of the restiance movments (the White Rose, and the Military Restiance) had at one point joined each other but never worked together because they didn't understand each others plans. The main reason why Stauffenberg's plan failed was manily casued by where the bomb was suposed to be planted(inside the Wolves Lair) and where it was planted(the Conferance Hut). If the plan had gone right and the bomb was planted in the Wolves Lair as planned Hitler would have been dead or wounded enough so that another would have to take his place. I also must ask the question why didn't the German Restiance contact the the Allies and get help from them, as the British had a plot to kill Hitler as well. Or why didn't the civilian population and the military rise up to overthrow Hitler?

Firstly, I just don't like the idea of Tom Cruise getting his Xenu-tentacles into such as an interesting subject.

Secondly, I don't think much would have necessarily changed had Hitler been assassinated in -44, or even earlier. Not that they shouldn't have tried, they did manage to kill off Heydrich. Although that led to a resurgence of violence against all Czechs.

just saw it...amazing movie i thought...:up: very detailed...though yes, the fact it was primarily in english, did take away a little, but hey, most if not all in that movie are english/american actors, compared to das boot with pretty much a all german cast. I'm still a little bummed however that field marshall rommel wasn't in the movie, nor any mention of him in it...if memory serves me correct he did have a very small role or atleast was apart of a conspiracy to kill hitler. but overall a very good flick. heck it got my brother lookin through my WWII, and history books,

No problem - it was all more or less unfounded speculation by me anyway ... ;)

It's a shame more films aren't done about the numerous assassination plots against Hitler. I went to see Valkyrie yesterday, and I was highly impressed with its historical accuracy and recreation of Germany circa 1944.

The Third Reich's Funniest Assassination Plots:
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news...r-valkyrie.php

Saw it today. I agree, amazing film. :up: Even though I knew the outcome, it was tense. All the actors were first rate, and I tip my hat to Cruise. He played Stauffenberg with a lot of quiet dignity and force. And the scenes where the conspirators launched Operation Valkyrie, thinking Hilter was dead, are really terrific. Two groups fighting for power, what they must do to secure the backing of the army (men with rifles) and what the army men have to face, which group to back--do you support those you believe are in the right, or those you believe will ulitmately triumph....

Certainly a movie to see.