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SUBMAN1 12-28-08 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Israel is anything but restrained. It's crazy to see how efficient is the Israeli propaganda machine, that's one topic on which all the media are on the same line, from left to right and from the US to Europe.

Oh, my mistake. The rockets were fictitious :88). If I were Israel, I would attack the moment a single one was launched. Looks like they launched over 100.

-S

PS. I do find it very telling that the BBC ignored the attacks, but when Israel attacks, they are all over it. Sounds like the ultimate propaganda machine - way beyond Israels right there.

Mikhayl 12-28-08 04:21 PM

See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.

SUBMAN1 12-28-08 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.

Show me one instance of Israel being the aggressor. Let me help you - you can't. It was all in response to violent attacks on Israel from Hamas.

But i guess you are a terrorist sympathizer.

-S

Mikhayl 12-28-08 04:51 PM

So typical of you, barking barking and barking. Anyway it kind of illustrates my point on Israeli propaganda so thank you.

SUBMAN1 12-28-08 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
So typical of you, barking barking and barking. Anyway it kind of illustrates my point on Israeli propaganda so thank you.

No, just in shock from all the antisemitism.

I guess Europe's history is full of it so I shouldn't be in shock.

-S

Letum 12-28-08 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
[...]just in shock from all the antisemitism.


Anti-sematism?
A quick Ctr+F search reveals that the words 'Semite' or 'Jew' Have not been mentioned
in this topic until now.
People seam to be talking about politics, nations and events, rather than religion or race.

Dowly 12-28-08 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl
See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.

Show me one instance of Israel being the aggressor. Let me help you - you can't. It was all in response to violent attacks on Israel from Hamas.

But i guess you are a terrorist sympathizer.

-S

Yes, from HAMAS. Yet, Israel hits Mosques and civilian targets. Hmm, what makes them any better than the terrorists?

Mikhayl 12-28-08 08:08 PM

Gaza ghetto: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...spitals-crisis

And some different news sources on Palestine and the ME
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php

http://joshualandis.com/blog/

http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml

http://occupiedlove.blogspot.com/

and of course, again:
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Aramike 12-28-08 11:24 PM

Well, this thread is aptly titled, in any case.

This is the kind of thing that is interesting to observe: people letting partisan views interfere with the facts. Seriously, the fact is that Isreal has been getting shelled by Palestinians in Gaza from well before their relatiation. This isn't something that's debatable - this is what actually happened.

People always seem to deplore the violence of those most effective at it. In other words, it doesn't matter that the Palestinians are lobbing mortar shells at Isrealis because those mortars are simply not very effective. However, when the Isrealis respond by firing back with more effective weapons, certain segments of the world get all up-in-arms over it.

I guess it's just a fascination with rooting for the underdog. Forgetting the cause and focusing solely on the effect is short-sighted.

Aramike 12-28-08 11:29 PM

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Yes, from HAMAS. Yet, Israel hits Mosques and civilian targets. Hmm, what makes them any better than the terrorists?
How are those "civilians" any better than the terrorists if they abide them?

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism. There certainly are details and minutiae to debate but this point is a tad off-base, IMO.

Remember, the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Hamas_wi...inian_election

This isn't a splinter unit acting alone.

Foxtrot 12-29-08 06:23 AM

Heil Arthur Balfour and Co. :down:

Mikhayl 12-29-08 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike
I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism.

It would be like if the French people had marched to protest against the French Resistance during WWII. After all they were labelled "terrorists" too.

Schroeder 12-29-08 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike
I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism.

Protest against HAMAS in Gaza and you won't live long enough to tell the tale.;)

But I think you are right. Israel has been hit by mortars and Kassams (spelling?) for quite some time now. And it was just a question of time until the big guns would answer that.:-?

I think it is a never ending story. Both sides have too many idiots to achieve a durable peace down there.

Aramike 12-29-08 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aramike
I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism.

It would be like if the French people had marched to protest against the French Resistance during WWII. After all they were labelled "terrorists" too.

Umm, you made my point.

SUBMAN1 12-29-08 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
[...]just in shock from all the antisemitism.

Anti-sematism?
A quick Ctr+F search reveals that the words 'Semite' or 'Jew' Have not been mentioned
in this topic until now.
People seam to be talking about politics, nations and events, rather than religion or race.

The words don't need to be spoken. Its implied over and over here.

-S


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