point one on Obama's to-do-list:


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:lol:

And this one, a bit older, but also a good one:


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:rotfl:

Ok so you don't give any newspaper too much clout. How about a long time serving Republican in the form of Senator Lindsey Graham who has had many dealings with Mr Emanuel. This is the exact statement made by Senator Graham today:
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham seems to totally contradict much of what has been said against Rahm Emanuel here by Sea Demon and others. :hmm: His comments also seem to suggest that President Elect Obama has shown wise judgement with this decision.

Oh, so because I typically vote Republican, I have to agree with every opinion they make? At any rate, I don't see Senator Graham addressing his views here in relation to Emanuel's politics vs. Israeli security. Where is it? Not there, right? My own view of Emanuel comes from the fact that he's usually a big mouth who was largely silent when Clinton was inviting Arafat to the White House to discuss "regional security". We all know Israeli security certainly wasn't solidified by these talks. In fact more violence actually resulted for Israel. I have yet to see any statements from Emanuel condemning this approach. On the plus side, Rahm is a Clintonite....which means you can forget Obama taking the country extremely leftward. But nevertheless, he has shown me something that he follows the pattern of those who travel with the left in America. Ideology first.

Lord knows your own opinion is completely worthless to these people. I actually have a vote and say in American government. :smug:

It's no surprise you have no seeming appreciation for the ability to form opinion based on observation. It's apparent you wait for a newspaper to form one for you.

Let call it a draw!;)

Israeli's do care who we put in the White House and the Congress. My vote does have an affect on their security. And I do support Israeli security. Has nothing to do with Party.

But how about you read people's comments, and try to comprehend what they're actually saying. Your pathetic attempt at mockery proves you bring nothing to the table. And your last paragraph shows me you have no clue into what Republican "hardliners" think "most of the time". I outlined specifically before many reasons Democrats have shown a particularly lackluster support for national security issues. And often show ideology as a primary concern. It's in actions and words. Seriously Mikhayl, it is you who have an inflated view of yourself. You have no idea what we believe over here. Like I told you in another thread, I was unimpressed with the average Frenchman's view of American politics when I was in Cannes. Some of these people thought they were up to speed on American politics because they saw Farenheit 9-11. :doh: No kidding. The so called new age "European Enlightenment" was not what I expected it to be. I was told by many newspapers that ignorance was largely an American trait. Then I went to Cannes and other parts of France and experienced it first hand. Your paragraphs above and your seeming hostility to independent thought are a caricature of what I heard there.

Come on fellas, there is no way, shape or form we will change the world from a forum on the internet. Keep it cool :up:

You have yet to show anything resembling a reason other than "newspapers don't agree". As though those sources have shown to be anything resembling integrity lately. And I went to several places in France, but Cannes is where I stayed for most of the time. I don't want to give the wrong impression though, I did meet some very nice French folks there who seemed bright. You do live in a beautiful country. But once a number of them started talking to me about American politics, that's where I saw some real ignorance on display.

And OK, we disagree on Emanuel. No problem there.

Edit: I agree with Mikhayl with his message to AVG. There! I found something to agree with you on. :) Have a good night Mikhayl.

Well then Mikhayl, I'm not sure I made my point with you. I already said I know that there are newspapers with various views regarding Emanuel. I don't mind you posting those articles. I simply watched Emanuel during the Clinton administration when Clinton was selling out Israeli security for some proposed and very much hoped for "peace". Some of these proposals did not increase Israeli security and violence looked to be the end product. I have yet to see Emanuel as a rep. condemn these "proposals" even though they were not good for Israel. I have no doubt Emanuel has an affinity towards Israel. But his actions and lack of words on some of these events show me that he is first and foremost securing ideology against an allies security. Doesn't matter how many internet articles you post about the man. His actions and words (or lack thereof) are much greater indication of this. I don't need an opinion in a news article to tell me what opinion I should have of this guy.

I'm both worried about Israeli, and European security with this new administration in Washington. A little concern for our East Asian allies. Although I do believe Emanuel is a pretty tough guy. And I don't believe he wants Israel to be threatened. But like I said, he is more beholden to party and ideology by action and words. post a million articles. Wont change a thing. Only Emanuel through words and deeds can do that. Got it?

I was going to post the same material Mikhayl regarding Emanuel. :up: We will see in 4 years time if Sea Demon's concerns were with or without foundation. My view from all that I can find on Emanuel, be it his actions, his comments, the views of some Republicans, and indeed his fathers views is that the last thing he is going to do is sell out Israel.

All this makes even more ridiculous the comments by Joe the plumber when he agreed with a Republican supporter who said "I guarantee ya, a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel." Tragic pre-election scaremongering that didn't work. Even Shep Smith from Fox News challenged Samuel Wurzelbacher during a Fox News interview. It really was cringe worthy stuff from the plumber. :down:

Yeah, Joe needs to stick to plumbing. My concern here with Emanuel was not over Israel. It is over the fact that he does not work across the isle and can be very nasty. I do not see Emanuel as part of any change and working in across the isle.

The guy is not a political operative, he's just a plumber as you point out. Half the stuff said on this board would also qualify as cringe worthy, but I don't see national media flocking to interview the people who posted it or dig into their backgrounds to see what dirt they can find.

Articles are merely opinion pieces in and of themselves. They also ignore facts about circumstances if it doesn't portray what they want to portray. These pieces never discuss Emanuel's silence when Clinton was giving concessions to the terrorist Yasser Arafat and what became of that. More violence for Israeli citizens. Less security for their nation. Sometimes you just have to look at people's actions and words and form your own opinions. Is independent thought becoming a lost art on your continent?

I already told you that it was my opinion. The fact that I'm not on an editorial board of a newspaper room means nothing. There's a reason newspapers are dying......at least here in America. Because they selectively display "facts" to form opinions. Like Konovalov said, we'll see in the future if my own personal concerns were with or without foundation. And for the record, I hope I'm wrong. But from what I see, regarding Emanuel's lack of any words of condemnation for the actions of a previous Democrat administration that directly set the environment for more violence for Israel, gives me a pretty good idea that ideology for him, party loyalty indeed, came in that instance before the national security of one of our allies in that region. I do praise Mr. Emanuel for his support for the Iraq War. Don't know too much about his current outlook on that though. We'll see.

Bingo!!:up:

Yet he was recruited by the McCain campaign and was up front and centre at some of McCain's rallies, appeared on almost every show on the Fox News channel (Hannity and Colmes, Your World with Neil Cavuto, Fox and Friends, On the Record with Greta van Sust), some of them multiple times such as Hannity and Neil Cavuto. In effect he was a political operative for the McCain capaign. So I have to disagree with ya on that one. :)

Some of Joe the Plumber as a Fox News pundit on issues such as economics and Obama's supposed questionable loyalty to the US:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrBrj2P0nv0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4m0uPmEiHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw2Wczp9yOc

But back to the topic. I agree with AVG Warhawk and share his concern regarding Rahm Emanuel and his partisan past. But as I have clearly expressed earlier I don't see anyting to worry about regarding Israel's security during an Obama presidency. Once again, time will confirm if any of my or your fears have any foundation.