Not yet. I still hold out hope Obama will be found to be Constitutionally ineligible to hold office.

[If you wonder what I'm blathering on about, ask yourself why KENYA is partying so hard tonight.]

A KENYAN born citizen CANNOT become POTUS (President of the United States) But don't tell them that until the party is over....

Only a "natural born US citizen" can.

Nor can and an INDONESIAN citizen become POTUS. Or even a "naturalized US citizen from Indonesia."

No. Only a "natural born US citizen" can. This is the same reason the current governor of California can never become POTUS--because he NOT a NATURAL BORN US citizen.

(And, yes...just in case you wondered: I AM talking about Barack Obama--it's alledged he might be either Kenyan born or Indonesian educated, either of which should make him ineligible to be POTUS under the terms of the US Constitution.

[Supreme Court decision probably upcoming].

Why does it matter? It's because this one, elected official is the ONLY one who will be in command of the US military (and all it's might). It's because he, ALONE, will be Commander-in-Cheif (and so he must be loyal ONLY to the United States (he can have no split/dual loyalties).

See "Article 2" of the US constitution (look for better sources, btw, than "Wikipedia")


CS

I thought all the political mud slinging would at least slow down with the election being over, not reach epic proportions. Maybe another week will do it?

PD

Mate, Obama has done nothing but create suspicion by refusing to produce solid evidence that he's a born citizen. Makes you wonder why he wouldn't simply whip out a copy??

Regardless, I suspepct that anything that represents him in a negative light will not see the light of day for at least a year, and even then there would be very little attention. Things like his birth cerrtificate will never see the light of day. Why? There are lots of people wondering...

It is simply beyond me to understand why he flatly refuses to produce it if he is, as he claims, born in the states.

His birth certificate has never seen the light of day? Really?

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchas...sses-obama.php

PD

It's not beyond my understanding if he has something to hide (and I think he does).

He hasn't produced any of his school records either, of course. Nor any records of how his schooling was financed.

But since the Mainsteam Media here in the US (THE MSM) has given him a free pass, he hasn't had to do so.

He's certainly HAS created suspicion by refusing to be forthcoming (but apparently not enough suspicion, because he was, nonetheless, elected tonight--too bad for the rest of the American Electorate--they deserve whatever they get, IMO, for failing to exercise "due diligence.").

I would agree, that, based on the pace of American jurisprudence (my sister is a lawyer, so I'm quite familiar with it), it will, indeed be a year, or more before there is any chance of the real truth being discovered and known to all.

So I won't wait--I'm bailing out now.


CS

No, not yet it hasn't.

Judge Surrick did NOT request or require of Barack Obama that he produce a "certified, vault copy" of his birth certificate, no. And despite Berg request that he do so (so, as yet, Obama has still been given a free pass on the question--AND DESPITE the provisions and requrements of Article 2 of the original US Constitution, Obama has STILL not yet been required to show he truly IS a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN by producing evidence of a "certified vault copy" of his birth certificate---read the decision and you will realize I am right).

Or, more correctly, Berg himself is right: Because he has not yet been required to produce proof his IS eligible to be POTUS, we are headed for a real "Constitutional Crisis" over the matter.

As far seeing as our forefathers were, I suspect they failed to imagine a scenario in which a citizen honestly contesting a candidates eligibility could possibly be ruled "not to have standing to do so."

I think it would have caused Franklin himself a heart-attack.

[Personally, I think Ben Franklin would be rolling over in his grave at the idea such a challenge would be disallowed on a mere technicality, but then...our forefathers were real men...and we are but poorly raised children by comparison.]

Iin answer to your exact question: No. As of today his birth certificate has not yet seen the light of day. No.

Judge Surrick DENIED the request to produce (and see) it.

He denied it because he decided Berg did not "have standing" to demand to see it.

FWIW, it's my own belief Obama is still hiding his BC because he cannot prove he IS a Natural Born US citizen--I believe he CANNOT prove he was born in Hawaii (but that's just my own view).

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I read earlier tonight that one of the third party presidential or vice-presidential candidates has now filed his own lawsuit (and presumably as a candidate who had LOST this election, he WOULD, indeed, have standing to demand to see this birth certificate...so we'll see how that plays out).

www.americasright.com or www.obamacrimes.com for more info.

For my part I have no personal stake in any of these cases--I only hope Obama WILL be found to be ineligible to be POTUS in the end (because I believe he IS ineligible).

[I wear my own "tinfoil hat" just above my periscope :D ]


CS

Good for you America. IMHO that is.:yep:

I can't believe you actually think this guy isn't an American citizen. I'm fairly sure a few people have looked very hard to find these sorts of things by now. You could certainly hope for that outcome. But in this day and age, a rational man has to realize that Obama not being a US citizen is not likely. Possible yes, but it's a REAL, REAL long shot.

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5626

PD

Here's hoping the US have made the right choice :hmm:

I think he is not...or at least suspect he is not...a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, within the meaning of Article 2 of the original, unaltered US constitution, yes.

Yes I do.

To your point: People HAVE been looking for quite a while now, yes. And they have been generally stymied by any, and all legal blocks which could be thrown up to thwart them.

The practice of law (even in the US) is usually ugly. Quite bloody, even.

I believe his US citizenship was renounced by his mother, Ann Dunham, and his Indonesion father, Lolo Sotero, when he was relocated to Indonesia at age 5.

At best, then, he would only have been able to RECLAIM his US citizenship (thereby becoming a naturalized citizen, and one ineligible to hold the office of POTUS) if he took steps to do so at age 18 (and evidence suggests he did NOT do so, which means he is still an Indonesian citizen today, and is, in fact, ineligible even to hold the office of US Senator from Illinois--I suspect he is a true "illegal alien") .

Please note that he has gone out of his way NOT to make pertinent information available on this subject. He has NOT produced any of his birth records (as John McCain so willingly did when queried on the same issue)--he has been ANYTHING but forthcoming on the matter...and think there is a reason.

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FWIW, there is at least some chance too (and some suspicion even on my own part that he IS, indeed, an American citizen after all...because he might WELL have been parented by a US father. But it willl require a paternity test (genetic test) to prove or disprove it, and so far, Obama has not been forthcoming here either (oh, what a surprise)).

Thia second theory suggests he is NOT the son of Kenyan National (UK citizen) Barack Obama Sr. at all (and, moreover, he probably knows it).

If you have ever seen a photo of "Barack Obama Sr." you will have a hard time (I think) conjuring up a picture of ANY "white mother" who could be paired with him to produce Obama Jr.s as a child.

[yes, I realize this sounds as if I've gone even further off the "very deepest end".. ..but bear with me. It should, at least, amuse you. :D]

Barack's mother, Ann Dunham was seventeen when she (allegedly) had a sexual relationship with an American Civil Rights activist, one "Frank Marshall Davis."

Davis was a close friend of the Dunham family, and he lived very close by too in Seattle.

Moreover, Davis was not immune to this sort of temptation--he had yet another alleged relationship with girl of merely thirteen, I gather.

Anyway, the theory goes that Davis fathered Obama Jr by Ann Dunham...but because Davis was already married to a white woman, and because he was a well known civil-rights leader, the three families: Dunham, Davis, and Obama together, all agreed to register Obama as Baracks "father of record" on his birth certificate, rather than compromise Frank Davis himself.

Ok...it sounds completely wacko, I agree...

....until you actually SEE pictures of Barcack Obama Sr. and Frank Marshall Davis, set side-by-side. At that point, and in my view, this "wacko theory" becomes completely plausible.

And as to WHY would it have been covered up in the first place? Because Frank Marshall Davis, American Civil Rights activist was an AVOWED MARXIST/COMMUNIST!

Hey...it's not my theory, but just one I stumbled upon (at the "hillaryclintonforum.net")

So....take it as just another "conspiracy theory," if that's your tendency.

Write me off as just another wacko too, if you must :D (but hopefully, you'll realize I've been trying to be somewhat fair and objective too...so maybe you won't.

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And yet, I cannot help but notice a STRONG resemblance between this "alledged father" Frank Marshall Davis and Obama Jr...while at the same time failing to find ANY POSSIBLE resemblance between "Obama Sr." and his supposed son (at least any that could occur between one single generation).

Moreover, I would be willing to be a fairly large sum of cash on a paternity test to this effect too.

I'm sorry, but I just cannot conjure up a picture/imagine ANY white woman who could have produced the son I know as Barack Obama Jr, from that father.

But I can easily see resemblances between Davis and Obama (the decending lines under the nose, the raised seam through the center of the upper lip, the overall shape of the head, the mutual furrowed brow, skin tone....yadda yadda yadda.....

See for yourselves:

Barack Obama Sr. photo: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...icial%26sa%3DX

Frank Marshall Davis photo:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...&ct=image&cd=1


CS

So Obama has won, and big time at that. Can't say I am dissapointed, even though it will get more rough in Europe now considering Afghanistan. But that's something I am more then willing to take if it means the US comes back into the club of nations respecting human rights and global rules.

Voting Obama alone raised the US reputation by a big margin practically overnight. You guys voted a black president. Big kudos to that, I did not see that coming. Basicly threw a ot of clichés out of the window into the faces of those thinking the US was still too racist. That alone was worth it already, if not anything else.

If I were you, and that includes republicans, I'd be grateful for this already. And that Obama, unlike Bush, also embraces the other party. From an outsiders view, national unity is more then needed in the US right now to tackle the problems. I personally want to see the US come to it's former glory again, it's moreal authority and it's leadership role in the west. For sure better then Russia or China as an alternative. And now that Bush is gone, there is a real possibility of this beeing achieved. McCain was a good man, I respect him, even if he got sucked into his partys habits lately, which ultimately was his downfall. For this reason he would simply be seen as Bush 2.0 abroad.

For what it's worth, americas self healing still works. That was the case after the McCarthy years, and I am very positive this is in effect now. Good times ahead.

Gratulations to Obama.

This citizen thing has been discussed here before in earlier threads and has not been shown to me as a compelling argument against Senator Obama. Apart from the flimsy claim itself it looks like a desperate act by a small minority who do not wish to see Senator Obama elected as President of the United States of America.

But lets say that the claim that Obama is not a US citizen was true. Why did the Clinton camp kill off the Obama challenge during the Democratic primary or why didn't Senator McCain bring this out as the October surprise that would bring him victory yesterday?

Quite frankly this whole question of Obama's citizenship is a conspiracy theory on par with man never landing on the moon or that the 9/11 Twin Towers attack was an insidwe job by the CIA and Mossad.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

I hope so as well, but I'm not optimistic about it. Can I stay with you for a couple of days before I continue on to Switzerland?:D

If Obama takes and holds office for more than a few months (lawsuits notwithstanding), I think you will have cause to regret your enthusiasm this night.

I think you in the EU will very quickly come to realize the AMERICAN SECURITY RUG has been pulled right out from under you.

It won't be long before the Russians realize it too (and begin to press westward.)

Here's a hint for you (oh too late to DO anything about it, but that's the way the real world works I suppose: A SOCIALIST US will NOT be able to support it's end of NATO.

Which means you in the EU are SCREWED. We will no longer have the actual economic strength (let alone the willingness) to support you..and you will not have planned (or put aside savings) in the eventuality of our "failure to provide for your safety."

So the Russians can march right in...and we can't do anything about it (moreover, Obama wouldn't, even if he could--it would be too unpopular for a new President, don't you know...)

...or....

you can hope the Russians aren't feeling their oats.

Do you feel lucky? Do ya?


CS

You must not know much about Obama if you think he also embraces the Republican party...only ONCE did he ever co write a bill with a Republican...and it was defeated...other than that he just voted "present" or occasionally voted with the rest of the Democrats.

This is the first time in my life I've ever been ashamed of my Country. You elected a marxist,terrorist loving empty suit as President...just because he was black. They must be dancing in the streets in the Gaza Strip and in Tehran tonight.

Course it was inevitable when that idiot McCain was picked by the Republicans.

Sad that the best overall candidate (Hillary Clinton),was sabotaged by her own party,just so they could get a puppet in the White House.