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nikbear 07-29-08 03:26 AM

Get rid of the TypeIXD2 and get a TypeVIIC/41,it dives deeper and faster,the old IXD2 is a big old bus that makes a cracking target at this point in the war:nope:you will live longer in the C41,not as many eels I grant you but by this stage of the war you should be a crack shot anyway:up:

Chisum 07-29-08 05:39 AM

Certainly not, I use often the backup lol !
:lol:

But sorry, I'm in love with the IX/D2.
She have more torpedos and I don't want change.
It not means that I don't like the type VII/C 41, very fast effectively, but I prefer the U-178 who finish the war at Bordeaux.

You can understand now why I use the backup: it's an Historical question, U-178 CAN NOT be sunk !
:p

Contact 07-29-08 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chisum
Certainly not, I use often the backup lol !
:lol:

But sorry, I'm in love with the IX/D2.
She have more torpedos and I don't want change.
It not means that I don't like the type VII/C 41, very fast effectively, but I prefer the U-178 who finish the war at Bordeaux.

You can understand now why I use the backup: it's an Historical question, U-178 CAN NOT be sunk !
:p

Titanic was unsinkable too :D So here's a cold shower for ya :lol:

Kielhauler1961 07-29-08 09:44 AM

You're driving a IXD2 in 1944 AND you want to attack heavily escorted convoys??? These two things just don't go together.:lol:

GoldenRivet 07-29-08 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chisum
U-178 CAN NOT be sunk !
:p


I'll have some of that action!
Put me down for 500 reichsmarks in favor of the allied destroyers!

Rommer69 07-30-08 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chisum
Fire long range...
Ok.
But the problem is that they wan't !
The escort is increasingly close to the convoy and force me to stay out of range of fire...(this sentence has been entirly translated by Google, I'm not sure you can understand lol).
And if I fire an acoustic topedos (T5) after 400m she follows the nearest destroyer and never hit a merchant...
:-?

Thanks to your ideas, I like the spirale system and try it next opportunity.

PS: to all players, don't forget: maximum depth is estimated with 100% integrity hull ! If lowest...maximum depth decrease(unknow values...). I can just tell you that with 30% integrity hull my IX/D2 had imploded at +/- 250 meters...
Last screen taken at 249m:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7388/adiostb3.th.jpg

PS: note that the official values found on google says max depth at 230m...
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_178

(On the right side in a square, watch "Profondeur: 230m")

I´ve just realized that all of yor seamen had some type of ability; i´m only in my 6 th patrol and may 1940, but in port i can only give a speciality to my officers and sub-officers. i suppose that later on the war, when all of them have one speciality, I will have the option to specialize my seamen too. Is that right?
It is easiest to play with an experienced and specialized crew!
Thank you.

Jimbuna 07-30-08 06:45 AM

If your using SH3 Commander, you can give your seamen 'specialities' as you put it (they are qualifications) but they will give you no more additional benefits.

Rommer69 07-30-08 06:57 AM

Not SH3 commander! Then i will give qualifications only to those who earned them;)
The seamen look all the same, there are very much and i never know who is who.
I´m afraid a good Kaleun should never say something like this :-?

Chisum 07-30-08 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rommer69
It is easiest to play with an experienced and specialized crew!

Yes it's very easy.
It's so easy that I have not yet been able to finish a campaign without a backup resume ...
:roll:

Anyway, it seems to me that everyone plays as he wants and this is not a reason to say that a true commander would not do that.
There is real commanders here ?

I think I could play a 100% realistic and never see anything of the game that I never do not take me for a true commander ...

:-?

Penelope_Grey 07-30-08 07:13 AM

The best way to know if you are being hedgehogged is that the attacking ship will not pass over the top of you.

Generally speaking evasion in late war is hard as hell, and its always worth keeping a few spare torpedoes just in case you need to blast your way out.

In late war go as deep as the sub can go and keep your wits about you at all times. Owning a type XXI in late war also helps your chances of survival. A VIIC/41 is a must. That baby can go down past 300m if you push her...

Rommer69 07-30-08 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chisum
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rommer69
It is easiest to play with an experienced and specialized crew!

Yes it's very easy.
It's so easy that I have not yet been able to finish a campaign without a backup resume ...
:roll:

:-?

Shuold have say easier instead of easiest, sorry.
I only meant that with qualified crew is easier than without it, not that the game is easy. I play 76% realism, only external camera and no duds.
And i was thinking when writing the post that it would be easier for me.
Sorry if i bother you.;)

Chisum 07-30-08 08:51 AM

No problem Herr Kaleun.

Note that I don't give all specialities at the first patrol.
I procede as "real".
I suppose that after 2 missions, some of my crew are more experimented in a speciality and I give them this speciality.

I precise too that I don't give all medals at the begining of the game. But after a lot of patrols, I suppose that someone must be logicaly awarded.
Of course, in the end of the war as now in 1944, all crew is full awarded(because I have not changed my crew since the first patrol, always keep the same).

I'm a generous guy lol.
;)

Chisum 07-31-08 01:24 AM

Great !

With your method it works !
I attacked a large convoy without ever having been detected.
I was able to leave without problem
But it was an American escort and they don't seem as aggressive than English.

It's still a good result, 4 big cargos and a destroyer.


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Chisum 08-04-08 03:37 AM

Well, well, well...

Yesterday I resume a save to fight against a enormous convoy, only big ships(Jully 1944).
7 furious american hunters only for me, impossible to escape.

I was full silent, all stopped at 100m depth but at 5 miles I was detected and they never let me after that...

I'll be very curious to watch a "didacticial video" who explained how to survive in this conditions.

Contact 08-06-08 07:10 AM

from all I have read, I found mostly usefull advice of GR with decoys tactics. Copy-pasted, saved, will try this when times comes :up:


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