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peabody 07-26-08 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maj. T J King Kong
I am new to this forum and not what someone would call a computer "junky". Im loving what I "SEA" so anything you guys advise for improvement to this subsim (which isnt much needed) would be great.
Heres the situation: Im new to this game, I played 688i for more modern sub-warfare for 11 years and I love that game VERY much. The enviroments in SH4 are the most amazing I have ever seen in a SIM. What I would like to accomplish is historically accurate fleets and regions with an injection of "hyothetical instances" of what IF USA was able to imploy the weapons that would have broken the back of the Imperial Navy. EXAMPLE: It was known throughout WW2 in the Pacific that Adm. Halsey wanted to split his BB Task forces to assault the enemy on every lane in the sea. The problem was, the U.S. Battleships were the slowest of the fleet, so in saying, your Battlegroup is only as fast as your slowest ship. Made it VERY difficult for these ships to "patrol" lanes without supply ports close to action area. I wanted to make a new "hypothetical" (Taskforce/ USTF 2008).
ACTION AREA: Leyte Gulf 10/1944
STRATEGIC VALUE: The Leyte operation was to be the crucial battle of the war in the Pacific. On its outcome would depend the fate of the Philippines and the future course of the war against Japan. Located in the heart of the archipelago, Leyte was the focal point where the Southwest Pacific forces of General MacArthur were to converge with the Central Pacific forces of Admiral Nimitz in a mighty assault to wrest the Philippines from the hands of the enemy.With Leyte under General MacArthur's control, the other islands would be within effective striking distance of his ground and air forces. Leyte was to be the anvil against which he would hammer the Japanese into submission in the central Philippines, the springboard from which he would proceed to the conquest of Luzon for the final attack against Japan itself. Military necessity demanded that the Allies achieve a decisive victory on Leyte. General MacArthur and Admiral Nimitz were committed to employ the maximum resources at their command.
FORCES (Historically accurate):
JAPAN: Northern Force (Ozawa)4 Carriers,2 Battleship-Carriers,3 Cruisers, 8 Destroyers; Shima Force (Shima)3 Cruisers,7 Destroyers,Central Force (Kurita)5 Battleships,12 Cruisers,15 Destroyers;Southern Force (Nishimura)2 Battleships,1 Cruiser,4 Destroyers

U.S.A.: Northern Force (Halsey/3rd Fleet)6 Battleships, 16 Carriers,15 Cruisers,58 Destoyers;Southern Force (Kinkaid/7th Fleet) 6 Battleships,18 Carriers,11 Cruisers,36 Destoyers
NOTICE NO SUBS!
In 1944, JAPANS position was both critical and desperate, hence; sending the Battleship Yamato into action against a far more superior force. (Battle Off Samar, SH4 stock mission) Although its fun, its a turd of for understanding what really happened, On top of it, having a chance to change history with history.
(hypothetical-USTF 2008;6 Battle ships with the Arizona,Oklahoma included,16 Cruisers,22 Destoyers, this would be the "pincer" maneuver from the north east of Samar Island to the west to trap the wounded Japanese Nothern Force (Ozawa) after just having an engagement against 3rd Fleet/Halsey) and having to retreat back to the north.
Just a side thought to this , roll back to 12/7/1941, what if...The U.S. had the A/C carriers in port and all the battleships were out to sea, this would have turned out to be a very different war thats for sure,hehe. Im pretty sure there would have been tasked huge BB groups twice the size they had and sailed them straight into Toyko Harbour in summer of 1942!
So back to the SIM: Im trying to find out first IF we can get these battleships to start engaging at the 15,000 yard ranges for IOWA class and 18,000 for the Yamato. Is this possible in a mod and if so, please put into an idiot proof way of how to so as i dont get lost in "8804ferkfjb34fbn" stuff.....If I cant get my BB's to perform like they are supposed to, it makes it hard to justify even trying to make a hypthetical add on battlegroup to this mission,adding my sub would only be observation point to watch the action unfold. Thanks alot for your time guys, you are all very fun to chat with. A wealth of information!

If you would like to take part in the battle there is a link to the Iowa, you can install it and you can watch from the Iowa's tower. And I think the guns are set for 14000 yds.

Edit: my mistake it's 14000 meters

Peabody

thasaint 07-27-08 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Wiki's article on the battle itself says that Washington didn't open fire until 9000 yards, and first illuminated Kirishima with searchlights.

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For the next three minutes, Washington's 16-inchers hurled out 42 rounds, opening at 18,500 yards range, her fire aimed at the light cruiser Sendai. Simultaneously, the battleship's five-inch dual-purpose battery was engaging another ship also being shelled by South Dakota.
from washington's wiki

the wiki for the battle itself doesn't specify the range the washington opened up on the sendai.... though it says she landed no hits...

can't trust wiki too much, good for general info not specifics

Raptor1 07-27-08 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by thasaint
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Wiki's article on the battle itself says that Washington didn't open fire until 9000 yards, and first illuminated Kirishima with searchlights.

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For the next three minutes, Washington's 16-inchers hurled out 42 rounds, opening at 18,500 yards range, her fire aimed at the light cruiser Sendai. Simultaneously, the battleship's five-inch dual-purpose battery was engaging another ship also being shelled by South Dakota.
from washington's wiki, so the 2 pages conflict... gg wiki hehe

No they don't

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Most significantly, however, Washington soon engaged Kirishima in the first head-to-head confrontation of battleships in the Pacific War. In seven minutes, tracking by radar, Washington fired 75 rounds of 16 inch and 107 rounds of five-inch shells at ranges from 8,400 to 12,650 yards, scoring at least nine hits with her main 16" battery, and about 40 with her five-inchers, silencing the enemy Kirishima in short order and setting her on fire. Subsequently, Washington's five-inch batteries went to work on other targets spotted by her radar electronics.
Read...

Although I do believe it was Kirishima that illuminated herself by turning on her searchlights when she attacked South Dakota, not Washington illuminating Kirishima


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