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Marcantilan 07-19-08 11:30 AM
It´s the argentine ARA Santa Cruz, a TR 1700 class. Back in the ´80s the most advanced SSK.

The pics aren´t a fake. Are real and were part of Mr. Ricardo Fuchs´collection.

Another one (same collection)

http://www.histarmar.com.ar/ArchivoF...s/Image051.jpg

OneToughHerring 07-19-08 11:53 AM
Well if the pics aren't fake then what is going on in the first two pics? Some kind of navy version of 'playing chicken'?

mcf1 07-19-08 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring
Well if the pics aren't fake then what is going on in the first two pics? Some kind of navy version of 'playing chicken'?
No, it's Bernard playing Marco Polo :lol:

geetrue 07-19-08 11:55 AM
The first picture has a sled that you tow, perhaps a torpedo retrevier boat?

OneToughHerring 07-19-08 01:14 PM
Oh they're Argentinians, well that explains everything.

Jimbuna 07-19-08 01:25 PM
LOL :lol:

Marcantilan 07-19-08 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring
Oh they're Argentinians, well that explains everything.
??????

Jimbuna 07-19-08 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcantilan
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring
Oh they're Argentinians, well that explains everything.
??????
I think he's joking....no harm or insult intended.

Enigma 07-19-08 06:46 PM
Fakes. August's observations, among other factors....

Cohaagen 07-19-08 07:40 PM
One of the things I love (can't stand) about the internet is how people have become so paranoid about looking gauche, unsavvy or unwordly that they immediately label even the most triflingly unusual photographs/videos as "fake". The fact that the sub "going in the other direction" and the clouds looking "different" (identical) from picture to picture is taken as evidence of fakery is indicative of dismissiveness by default, not intelligent skepticism.

It goes without saying that those pictures are obviously real, and anyone who can't tell that at first sight needs to ease up with the Photoshop paranoia.

http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Armada%2...laseTR1700.htm

http://www.histarmar.com.ar/ArchivoF...chivoFuchs.htm


EDIT: If you want a real laugh at something truly dubious, check out a page at the above site where the Argentine "Armada" trots out the old claims to have seriously damaged HMS Hermes and sunk Invincible (but ze Englisher pirates covered it up, jajajajaja!)

Jimbuna 07-20-08 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Cohaagen
One of the things I love (can't stand) about the internet is how people have become so paranoid about looking gauche, unsavvy or unwordly that they immediately label even the most triflingly unusual photographs/videos as "fake". The fact that the sub "going in the other direction" and the clouds looking "different" (identical) from picture to picture is taken as evidence of fakery is indicative of dismissiveness by default, not intelligent skepticism.

It goes without saying that those pictures are obviously real, and anyone who can't tell that at first sight needs to ease up with the Photoshop paranoia.

http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Armada%2...laseTR1700.htm

http://www.histarmar.com.ar/ArchivoF...chivoFuchs.htm


EDIT: If you want a real laugh at something truly dubious, check out a page at the above site where the Argentine "Armada" trots out the old claims to have seriously damaged HMS Hermes and sunk Invincible (but ze Englisher pirates covered it up, jajajajaja!)
Could you be a little more prescriptive, or even post a link for these tired old eyes of mine :up:

OneToughHerring 07-20-08 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
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Originally Posted by Marcantilan
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring
Oh they're Argentinians, well that explains everything.
??????
I think he's joking....no harm or insult intended.
Yes I'm joking but I'd really like to know what is going on in those first two photos.

Oh well, maybe it was just a case of the sub 'starting' right next to that boat and it just looks like a near collision.

Marcantilan 07-20-08 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Cohaagen
EDIT: If you want a real laugh at something truly dubious, check out a page at the above site where the Argentine "Armada" trots out the old claims to have seriously damaged HMS Hermes and sunk Invincible (but ze Englisher pirates covered it up, jajajajaja!)
In fact, HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible being damaged (not sunk) was an old claim of the Argentine Air Force.

Here´s a CGI video about the HMS Invincible attack (FAA point of view). I recommend to watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EphkYTMDV18

As far as I know the official posture of the Argentine Navy is HMS Invincible was attacked by an Exocet, without any confirmed results.

I know a legend about HMS Invincible being sunk (and HMS Illustrious disguised as HMS Invincible just after the sinking). But I also heard about the Yeti, Nessie, so on...

Marcantilan 07-20-08 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring
Yes I'm joking but I'd really like to know what is going on in those first two photos.

Oh well, maybe it was just a case of the sub 'starting' right next to that boat and it just looks like a near collision.
I will ask a former crewmember of the sub about the pics. Stay tuned...

Jimbuna 07-20-08 11:01 AM
An interesting video, from an Argentine perspective anyway :lol:

Your pilots were extremely brave and were the most creditable part of your forces in this sad conflict.


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