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  Advances in molecular biology have revealed vast amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.

  Inteligent design and irreducible complexity are both PRATT's. Why do people keep bringing up stuff debunked countless times over
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  Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
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  The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?

  I don't know, do you?
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  Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?

  Giving your subjective opinion as an objective view, nice going there champ.
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  People of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?

Wishful thinking is niceNow then, I await your response with cited sources to back up your claims, this should be entertaining.

Wow yet another anti-religion thread from Silent Hunter. It's becoming a weekly thing. :roll:

Wouldn't call it anti-religion

"These people and their devotion to their dusty book"?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Jesus_Camp.jpg


Dead Jesus is alive and watching for you? Anyone who believes on this crap is a born retarded.
Dead man walking is a zombie technically. If you see him then aim for the head

...and a right load of codswallop to boot :nope:

i'm evangelical and i don't approve these guys of the first thread for me they are extremists , religion 's an interpretation question which has to be left to each other interpretation . it's because of guys like that (100% sure of them) that probably the word religion has been made . at the origin i think what we call now religion was more a spirituality something good , free and infinite the actual religion's good but well

Wow...your exactly right Skybird..it's not for you if you see no need...more power to u.

Mark 2
[16] And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
[17] When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Reap...

"The bigotry of the un-believer is nearly as funny to me as the bigotry of the believer" -Albert Einstein

You know something I don't care what god people believe in. I don't. Just don't try to put that crap on me and my family. You believe in demons and angels and vampires, ghost and goblins good for you. Stay away from me. ;)

I don't have to say that often here to someone. Only happened once about 8 years ago. Some crazed old lady tried to do and excersism on my wife because she claim my wife was possessed in the middle of the parking lot to a pharmacy.:rotfl: Too bad she was a woman. If it was a guy I would have sent him one way ticket to a hospital.

So just for reference Wolfie, how far do religious people have to stay away from you and your family in order to keep you from becoming violent? 10 feet, a mile? Are we allowed for example to pull you or your family members out of the water if you were drowning, or would our mumbled prayer to God for the strength to save you just before we reach over the side of the boat cause you to fight our efforts and maybe get us both drowned?

You can see our conundrum here. After all we may accidentally bump into you in the parking lot and make the fatal mistake of saying "God bless you" when you sneeze, and we wouldn't want to get stabbed or nothing.

Perhaps when you're out in public you ought to wear a shirt that says:

Yeah, i think that's idiocy. Of course religious people have the right to be religious, and they have the right to tell me about it too if they are so inclined, whatever their religion. And the same is true of atheists and agnostics and all those in between. Equally i can listen, accept, reject, ignore or laugh at the same.

I don't know why people get so defensive about it. If on the other hand someone intends to force me to believe something- that's a different matter.

But the right to speak and to persuade and to be persuaded are fundamental in modern liberal democratic society.

[hate and incitement to hate or violence are not included]

Only as far as the basic meaning of secularism is not violated - and this sets limits to zealot's rights to actively approach members of society at every opportunity. It is one thing to place a poster at a church saying that tomorrow at 8:00 somebody is talking about what he believes. It is something very different if his background organization tries to to change the curriculum of public education and tries to make offices of the state obeying to these rules and impose this stuff onto school-children at public school - this is a frontal attack on secularism. The secular basic order of western nations is mentioned and protected by the constitutions, even in the american one. And freedom of religious practicing does not mean the state has an obligation - or even the right - to serve the interests of a religious club. It means it has to keep away from right this, make sure religious communities do not step over the line and make sure that other people are protected from claims these religious groups may express they have over other people. Nothing else the American constitution is saying. If somebody thinks the constitution makes the United State a christian nation, or the US has been founded on the basis of making it a 'christian nation, he better read itagain, for he understood something terribly wrong. Has has been posted in live quotes several times in this forum.

The same like if you turn up the volume of your radio too much: you cause the noise, you are responsible to switch it off or become so silent again that others must not listen to your radio program. In Germany there is the legal principle of "Zimmerlautstärke", for example. It means a radio may be run only so loud that outside the room/the appartement of where you run it the radio may not be heared by anybody, for your freedom ends were you start to limit the freedom of others (the freedom not wanting to listen to your noise, for example). there is some interpretation room, but when you run your radio so loud that others cannot ignroe it anymore, can't even liosten to the different program of their own radios, then you have stepped over the line at the latest.

the first thing i thought when i watched the first post documentary it's the movie Texas chainsaw massacre the guys have the same voices

Secularism is over rated...