Move to a better country.

DAMN! By the time I'd noticed this thread, I was beaten to the line! Well played, Jim... well played...

What I find hysterical is steed arguing the Socialist cause

Do you know what it is that they actually want. The strikers are trying to fix at an artificially high level a pension of the kind that is almost unheard of in the private sector. And the companies proposals would still keep the pension competative. By all means defend the right to strike Steed, but choose your causes carefully!

Perhaps if you read the Financial Times or watched Channel 4 News, you would realise that the economic damage can be cascading.

No oil production means lack of supply, which drives up costs across the UK, which makes the economy uncompetative, which means that foreign companies source resourses from our competitors, which means that banks get twitchy about the state of the economy and increase interest rates, which worries those of us who own homes and pay taxes who then stop spending, reducing the size of the economy further, which decreases government income and thus government spending, which damages spending.

...which may mean the government having to take on some debt to nip this in the bud... such as temporarily importing the oil from overseas. This means an increase in income tax to cover the debt next year.

But if your in favour of the strike, which you obviously are Steed, then you have thought that through and wont complain when tax's increase next year :D

CH4 news is so wet behind the ears and liberal no thank you. As for the economy so what? People in this country are spinless all they want is there soap operas and booze and they will sit in horese sh*t for the rest of there lives. Hang on, there doing that now! This country is finished.

Whats bloody new there DAB old sunshine? We're been screwed up the ass for years by politicians who don't give a toss about you and I, they crap all over us. They the politician can and will continual to rub sh*t in our faces because they know the people of this country are spineless and most don't even vote.

Well said DAB. :yep:

Funny how no one has mentioned our dear leader, mr gordon brown... who completely f**ked around with the pension schemes when he was in no 11. I support these guys 110%, its about someone actually stood up. The best thing is that most of these guys aren't striking for themselves, but for people who have yet to even join the company. In an age where so many people only care for themselves and not for others I think this is something to be commended, best of luck lads.

LOL! the UK practically a socialist nation! :rotfl:

Thankyou

Bizzare... the very people you critisise so veremently are the people who decry C4N for the reasons you give. You dispise them for being liberal (which I presume you mean in the American sense because C4N is certainly not liberal in the British sense) but you advocate a news programme that is renowned for focusing on celebs and sensation - which admittedly does explain your bizzare combination of far left views on a number issues, combined with a reactionary ideas of social order.

Takes me back to when I was fourteen and cutting my political teeth sunshine :cool:

Your ignoring my point. Are you willing to accept that there will need to be an increase in taxation to support the cost of the actions you are supporting.

This is starting to get interesting :lol:
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It's all you needed to know 10 years ago, but every time they dangle a nice juicy looking carrot and the stupid people in the UK fall over themselves to vote labour ...yet again. It doesn't matter that they don't deliver on promises; voters are like goldfish with their 10 second memory.

On the other hand, this current instalment appear to be doing everything they can to be voted into the shadow cabinet. Kind of like reverse electioneering :doh:
I heard it mentioned that brown has so far spent more on spin doctors than tony. He sure needs it; the 'financial genius' he was hailed as (by some) when occupying no11 seems to have evaporated. Leaving behind a more uncharismatic man you could not find. The man is a walking vacuum made all the more obvious by his position as pm, and the sooner this lot are consigned to the political rubbish tip and labelled for all time as an abject failure, the better.

Re: the price of oil...
from petrolprices.com

UK Petrol Prices for Monday 28th Apr 2008 (pence per litre):
--------------ave----------min---------max
Unleaded:-----110.0p------104.9p------119.9p
Diesel:--------120.2p------109.9p------132.9p
LRP:----------115.0p------108.9p------120.9p
Super:--------116.8p------107.9p------126.9p
LPG:----------56.7p-------48.9p-------59.9p

It's already the case that one of our largest hauliers Eddie Stobart has had to relocate to europe because he cannot compete when having to endure uk fuel prices. Good eh?
Sad fact is everybody is loosing out with this government and will continue to do so. Striking oil refinery workers are just another symptom of the deeper malaise that is labour.

here here jumpy its not only the big rich people it hits but us poor people too the people who cant afford the expencive but incredible economical cars the people who dont have £185 so they can put thier cars on the road, the people who cant afford the £3.50 bus fare that takes you three stops to work.

we have all been screwed rich or poor were all now suffering.

There's a lot of mileage in those words (no pun intended). :lol:

And this is why Gordon Brown will win the general election. People of this country are allowing it to happen, wake up Britain.

USE YOUR VOTE BY VOTING, WRITE TO YOUR COUNCILORS & MP'S BETTER STILL SEE THEM. THEY WORK FOR YOU NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Wake up or stay asleep and let them walk all over you.

And that is my final word.

Shame. If you answer my questions we could have quite an interesting debate

The reason I hate unions. The biggest stumbling block to free enterprise.