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NEON DEON 04-17-08 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Maybe we will all get lucky and Carter will be assassinated.-S
Wow you are hoping a former head of state of your country be assassinated.

:down: :down: :down: :down:

Or are you just trolling?

My opinion:

That is disgusting and I dont see how you can say crap like that!

SUBMAN1 04-17-08 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Wow you are hoping a former head of state of your country be assassinated.

:down: :down: :down: :down:

Or are you just trolling?

My opinion:

That is disgusting and I dont see how you can say crap like that!
Figuratively. But he deserves it for going there against everyones wishes.

Even the Israelies refused to give him a security detail - basically they say the same thing through actions. They are ticked.

-S

DeepIron 04-17-08 07:52 PM
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Figuratively. But he deserves it for going there against everyones wishes.
Meaning the Bush Administration and the Israelis... Hey, the man is still a citizen of a free country. If he wants to meet with someone, how dare the BA or anybody interfere or critisize. He has made his intention plain enough, no cloak and dagger, no backroom deals...

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Even the Israelies refused to give him a security detail - basically they say the same thing through actions.
Not giving him a security detail has probably saved his life... Who knows where a bullet might come from...

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They are ticked.
So what? This is the United States of America and since when do we cowtow to Israel? I hope they stay ticked. Might be interesting to find out just what Hamas has to say that isn't filtered through US and Israeli bias...

SUBMAN1 04-17-08 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
Meaning the Bush Administration and the Israelis... Hey, the man is still a citizen of a free country. If he wants to meet with someone, how dare the BA or anybody interfere or critisize. He has made his intention plain enough, no cloak and dagger, no backroom deals...
Bush never said anything that I know of. He has been counciled away from doing this however by many parties, most non-political

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Not giving him a security detail has probably saved his life... Who knows where a bullet might come from...
Tell that to the Secret Service - they are all ticked that he has become a possible target because of this and they don't have the capability to protect him without the Isralies help.

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So what? This is the United States of America and since when do we cowtow to Israel? I hope they stay ticked. Might be interesting to find out just what Hamas has to say that isn't filtered through US and Israeli bias...
Hardly. You'll get a bunch of propaganda - that is the only for sure thing there is, besides the fact that you are boosting Hamas's credibility throughout the world by having an Ex US President pay them respect. Say what you will, but this is the worst idea ever. Maybe Carter is working to redeem himself from a pathetic presidency, so he is shooting for a jackpot in a casino that is known for taking your money.

-S

DeepIron 04-17-08 09:35 PM
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Hardly. You'll get a bunch of propaganda - that is the only for sure thing there is, besides the fact that you are boosting Hamas's credibility throughout the world by having an Ex US President pay them respect.
C'mon S, we're going to get the propaganda anyway...

So what has paying them NO respect gotten us?

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Norwegian Nobel Committee praised Carter's decades of "untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development."
Carter has been repeatedly nominated for the prize, worth $1 million, and came close to winning in 1978 when he brought Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat together to sign the Camp David Peace Accords, but his presidency faltered under the weight of the Iran hostage crisis.
"Pathetic" presidency or not (to each his own, I liked him). Not everyone wins the Nobel Prize... so I wouldn't judge his actions solely based on his term in office...

August 04-17-08 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
"Pathetic" presidency or not (to each his own, I liked him). Not everyone wins the Nobel Prize... so I wouldn't judge his actions solely based on his term in office...
Aside from his Habitat for Humanity project I don't think much of his actions since he left the White House either. What is at issue here is his skill as a mediator and in this, especially post presidency, he has been an abject failure.

DeepIron 04-18-08 07:47 AM
Further Developments...
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7354027.stm
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But Israeli industry minister Eli Yishai has told Mr Carter he is willing to meet Hamas leaders to negotiate the release of prisoners held by the group. His spokesman said Mr Yishai had passed the proposal to Mr Carter ahead of his trip to Syria, saying he was "ready to meet with all necessary Hamas members" - including Mr Meshaal - for talks.
Hey, at least it's something...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7354027.stm
Israelis to build 100 homes in the West Bank... Israel is doing this despite protests from the International Community to freeze further developments in the West Bank.

bradclark1 04-18-08 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Tell that to the Secret Service - they are all ticked that he has become a possible target because of this and they don't have the capability to protect him without the Isralies help.
-S
Carter still has a Secret Service detail and I'm sure it will be beefed up plus Israel while being against it will still provide background security just because it wouldn't look good if he got knocked off in their back yard.

SUBMAN1 04-18-08 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bradclark1
Carter still has a Secret Service detail and I'm sure it will be beefed up plus Israel while being against it will still provide background security just because it wouldn't look good if he got knocked off in their back yard.
Nope - Carter got the shaft on this one. No increased Secret Service, and completely shunned 100% by the Israelies. Quite frankly, it would look good for the Israelies if he got bumped off in their backyard. This would translate into further support for fighting Hamas.

-S

SUBMAN1 04-18-08 10:32 AM
Things are getting uglier. Notice how they say the same thing I said - it lends support and legitimacy to a terrorists organization.

-S

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NEWS Release

http://www.house.gov/list/press/nc09...house_seal.jpg

U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pr_house_seal.jpg Representing North Carolina’s Ninth District


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 16, 2008
Contact: Andy Polk
(202) 225-1976
Rep. Myrick Calls for Former President Jimmy Carter’s Passport to be Revoked

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Rep. Sue Myrick (NC-9) called on Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to revoke former President Jimmy Carter’s passport. This is in response to the former President traveling to Syria to meet with Hamas, an organization officially designated by the United States as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

“Former President Carter has acted in contradiction of international agreements to isolate Hamas. He has acted in defiance of both United States policy and international policy. His actions reward terrorists, lend support, and provide legitimacy to their belief that violence will eventually get them what they want,” said Rep. Myrick.

After Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections the Quartet (US, UN, EU and Russia) called on Hamas to renounce terror, recognize Israel and recognize the previous agreements between the Palestinian Authority and Israel as they seek an agreement to make peace. Hamas has categorically rejected these three conditions for more than two years.

Congress granted the Secretary of State the power to grant and verify passports. In 1981, the United States Supreme Court held in the case of Haig v. Agee that the Secretary of State has the implied power to revoke passports as well (453 U.S. 280).

Background
Carter embraces Hamas official at West Bank meeting: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080415/D902HRSO0.html
http://www.house.gov/list/press/nc09...rpassport.html

Konovalov 04-18-08 10:37 AM
Myrick is hysteric suggesting such a thing. :down: It will not happen and rightly so. :yep:

SUBMAN1 04-18-08 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Konovalov
Myrick is hysteric suggesting such a thing. :down: It will not happen and rightly so. :yep:
Using the word 'hysteric' sounds very sexist. Hysteric- from the Greek notion that hysteria was peculiar to women and caused by disturbances of the uterus.

bradclark1 04-18-08 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Things are getting uglier. Notice how they say the same thing I said - it lends support and legitimacy to a terrorists organization.

-S
She's just trying for face time on the news is all.

SUBMAN1 04-18-08 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bradclark1
She's just trying for face time on the news is all.
I don't think so. I think she is trying to be just and do the right thing. Carter however is just looking for cam time.

-S

DeepIron 04-18-08 12:31 PM
What a joke.

The United States, the greatest freedom loving country in the world wants to revoke a Nobel Peace Prize recipient and former Presidents travel visa because he has an interest in trying to revive a stalemated peace process...

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Carter however is just looking for cam time.
To what end? He has constantly avoided the spotlight personally, allowing his foundation work on the issues...

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