Well, subman, if you are interested in birth rate research, take a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_birth_rate

the USA rate is remarkably close to that of the UK (only two more births per 1000), which is only to be expected as most developed nations tend to have low birth rates.

I'm not really sure about what point you are trying to make in your post - perhaps you could explain your arguments a little. For example, you seem to consider 'liberal' attitudes to marriage a bad thing - could you explain why?

How about your personal feelings? Do you see marriage as a good or bad thing, for instance?

Personally, I would love to see the population of the UK decline, although there is no actual sign of that. I would finally find somewhere to park...

:rotfl::rotfl:

And finally find a pub that's not packed to the brim :lol:

I'm trying to find the point to it also. Perhaps that ALL Liberals and Muslims are the enemy. :roll:

Yes, our Blue states are declining, and our Red states are rising, which is why I think the democrats want the illegal votes - they have declining population and will lose for the rest of time their ability to win elections if it continues. However, our birth rates are increasing. Yours are declining.

ALso, we have a population increase going on. .883% increase.

12 is high by the way - your actual birth rate is 10.65 in 2008.

-S

PS. Don't use Wikipedia. Its the worst for inaccurate information since you or I could edit it.

You are still not making the point of your post clear, though - at least to me - maybe I'm a bit slow...

Lets see, what part about a problem with marriage laws, low marriage rates, low birth rates with the US of A having an almost 50% greater birth rate, and immigration problems are you missing?

-S

50% greater birth rate than the UK is nothing to shout 'god bless america' :lol: about when you consider that's compared to the population of the UK being 60,943,912 (July 2008 est.) and the US 303,824,646 (July 2008 est.) https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ook/index.html

With those kind of numbers I'd have expected it to be way more than '50%' over the UK.

As for the marriage laws, there's nothing really wrong with the ones we have apart from the fact that many people don't seem to feel it's necessary these days, coupled with the fact we no-longer need to have 10 kids per family in order that some of them will survive to adulthood and that some choose other interests over raising children.
Immigration is a problem, but that's to be expected from a country that used to own half of the known world and currently is one of the top few nations in terms of its wealth and opportunity (compared to most 3rd world lands).

Marriage is looked upon as out of date by the young now, pump out kids and shack up in sin. Society is breaking down and good night.

Well, that is the first time you have mentioned a problem with UK marriage laws, so it's difficult to understand your point there.

As for low birth rates, as I have already stated, that, in my opinion, is a good thing for the UK. We are a very small country, and considerably overpopulated. We could comfortably reduce our population by up to about one third - they might finally stop building houses on green fields then.

To what immigration problems to you refer? The current influx of (mostly) EU immigrants has meant that jobs in low paid service industries have finally been filled by people who work a lot harder than Brits for lower wages. This means that costs of service industries are reduced, which is good news for people like myself who use them. A recent example on UK television dealt with Polish migrant workers who effectively do all the manual labour in the fruit-picking industry. The farmer (british) went as far as saying that he could not function without them as British youngsters will not do the work for the wages offered. So again, a positive thing.

Oh come on, the point of Subman's posts are always clear.

USA = Good
Rest of world = Bad
Muslim = Bad
Liberal thoughts = Bad

:rotfl:

I shouldn't laugh though,
The UK is doomed, :o DOOMED he tells us

:rotfl:

Not by this one

A pointless post. If you read above, I said the USA has a similar problem, but not as bad. Children, please get back on subject.

-S

Yeah because only married people ever have children. :nope:

read my first post.

maybe it is, but the people replacing the population are not of UK origin. You have a shift in population happening and your original culture is in jepordy.

That is not true. We have several McDonalds out here that are worked by normal native kids - no illegals to be found. I'm sure the same exists there. What you describe is propoganda from the farmers. Trust me, everything functioned fine before loose immigration entered the picture. This is greedy industry driving things if we are talking about immigration.

-S

Hardly. Its actually the number of children and the number of stable children that is in question. Any study on the subject will show non-married societies in decline. Montreal has quite a few on the subject for example, and I beleive some of them are posted in this forum.

-S