Looney how about onderzeeboot?

;)

what do you think the O stands for in the names of the WWII dutch subs?

other than that, yeah there is a clear division between torpedo boats which happen to able to sail submerged, and boats which are designed to fully operate below the waves but which are perfectly capable of surface operations as well

I've always been tought that WWII saw the shift between the two, with the transition to type XXI, is that incorrect?

Aye the arguement goes XXI was the first so called real submarine being that it was designed to be submerged and surfaced only when needing to
As opposed to the others which ran surfaced and dived when needed too

The XXI formed the basis for many post war submarines

yup that's what i heard

proves the point of the ranters above btw, i agree with you people that the show is complete crap: they also used to compare tanks, coming up with a list which features both the M1A1 and the PzIV and the T34 and the Leopard. rubbish

Caught this on the Military Channel on the Dish Network last weekend. Got to agree with the some of guys here that the way it was rated was different fruits! Half never fired a shot in anger, so how can you compare? But in the the end I was glad my favorite Type VIIC on top!

That show is on all the time on the Military Channel. I've seen Top 10 bombers, tanks, subs, and so on.

They don't rank them on what is actually better. If they did it would be basically a list of the most modern weapons.
With such abstract catagories as "Fear Factor" it is obviously a list of opinion. One that, at worst, may just generate some debate.

I find it odd that it listed type VII as the best sub of all time many SHIII players say it's crap. :hmm:

:rotfl: That's exactly why I posted it.

I agree the catagories for the list are bogus and generated on opinion rather than pure fact but we're all talking about it.;)

Never seen this programme....was theSen Toku I-400 class or the French Surcouf rated :hmm:

The Type VII in GWX is my personal favorite and it certainly was successful in terms of tonnage sunk but from any objective veiwpoint, designating it as the "top" submarine of all time ignores its many design and engineering flaws. After all, the VII design was essentially just an updated WW1 UB-III class medium boat.
Good Hunting

Yes. This page lists the Top Ten as they rated them. I guess they are in reverse order so you can go through and the last is really #1:


http://military.discovery.com/conver...slideshow.html

Rgr that...cheers http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

Bryant was Britain's top u-boat ace. Lots of going after Italian traffic, a good bit of deck gunning, and some encounters with German boats.

And to edit my previous rant slightly, they rank in terms of fan popularity I think. The Type VII is the best sub, OK I could see that, the T-34 is the best tank, OK that's pretty solid, the P-51 is the best fighter- OK, I could see that if you were blind and ignorant (it's WW2 record is weaker than the P-47, trivial compared to the Hellcat, Fw-190, Yak-1, or Spit, and meaningless compared to the Me-109). I'm a huge fan of when it comes to military, it's not what ifs, but what got the job done best in real life (not to be confused with being on the winning side). But oh well. In that order, the Type VII/IX (depending on total tonnage), T-34, and Me-109 rank as the best, with the B-29 as the best bomber. Pretty hard to argue that those types killed the most enemies, and when all's said and done, that's really what counts (sadly) with weapons of war, isn't it?

While I agree with you for the most part Predavolk, there is more to a weapon of war than its total kills. For instance Panthers had a kill death ratio of 10 to 1 (or thereabouts, am a bit too lazy to look up the exact number at this moment) against the T-34 and its various models and 7 to 1 agains Shermans, but since Shermans and T-34's could be turned out in huge quantities they were a better weapon of war for that.

What?!?! No Collins Class?

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