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Tchocky 04-04-08 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by August
"Short term" cooling since 1998?
On top of that, the Arctic generated the record most ever recorded additional Ice Pack ever recorded this year. I'm worried that Ice pack is going to visit my backyard in the future.

-S
August - Not cooling per se, rather stasis.
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This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory. But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend - and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.
The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.
While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998.
Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any particular year is larger than these small temperature differences. What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend.


SUBMAN - can you provide a link for that ice? the most recent I can find says that the recent cold has helped Arctic ice back to "near normal" levels after the lowest ever area recorded in summer 2007.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...rctic-ice.html

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
The earth revolves around the sun?????:o ...
Imagine that! :D

-S

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
SUBMAN - can you provide a link for that ice? the most recent I can find says that the recent cold has helped Arctic ice back to "near normal" levels after the lowest ever area recorded in summer 2007.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...rctic-ice.html
Its been a month since I read that. Maybe... Its known news though so it shouldn't be hard to find I would think.

-S

Tchocky 04-04-08 03:46 PM
Something from two weeks ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080318/sc_nm/ice_arctic_dc

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The thickest, oldest and toughest sea ice around the North Pole is melting, a bad sign for the future of the Arctic ice cap, NASA satellite data showed on Tuesday.

"Thickness is an indicator of long-term health of sea ice, and that's not looking good at the moment," Walt Meier of the National Snow and Ice Data Center told reporters in a telephone briefing.

This adds to the litany of disturbing news about Arctic sea ice, which has been retreating over the last three decades, especially last year, when it ebbed to its lowest level.

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Could be, but then again, it will be back. AN example is Greenland that has had record levels of melting 6 times in 20 years, but it comes back. Not sure anyone can say new or old ice means anything.

AN example of why I don't trust a lot of this data anymore:

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26 minutes agoYesterday, dailytech covered shocking allegations by an esteemed sea-level expert that the IPCC modified climate data and committed other violations in an attempt to falsely portray accelerating sea level rising. Arctic ice melt spurs a dire new warning Boston GlobeGreenland ice melting away at record rate, report finds Houston ChronicleBoise Weekly - Daily Green - Philadelphia Inquirer - AHNall 385 news articles
Pretty sad.

-S

Tchocky 04-04-08 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
AN example of why I don't trust a lot of this data anymore:

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26 minutes agoYesterday, dailytech covered shocking allegations by an esteemed sea-level expert that the IPCC modified climate data and committed other violations in an attempt to falsely portray accelerating sea level rising. Arctic ice melt spurs a dire new warning Boston GlobeGreenland ice melting away at record rate, report finds Houston ChronicleBoise Weekly - Daily Green - Philadelphia Inquirer - AHNall 385 news articles
Pretty sad.

-S
Sad? It's not even a sentence. Source please.


I went looking for the source, it gives one solitary google result.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22co...hl=en&filter=0

Here's the article from dailytech, more of the same from Michael Asher..
http://www.dailytech.com/Noted+Sea+L...rticle9978.htm

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Dr. Mörner is and an expert reviewer for the IPCC


Michael Asher is and an journalist :dead:

Ducimus 04-04-08 04:30 PM
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Maybe he hasn't noticed the record cold temps outside lately. Snow in Iraq as first snow there in recorded history, China with the coldest temps in 100 years, worst cold in the US country wide in recorded history. Where is this warming exactly?
I can't say i think much of Al Gore, so im not defending him, but i have to wonder....

How familiar are you with the oceans currents and their effect on the weather?

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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Dr. Mörner is and an expert reviewer for the IPCC


Michael Asher is and an journalist :dead:
Oh really?? WRONG!!! THis is the guy reporting it.

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Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner has been studying sea level change for 35 years. He is the former head of Stockholm University's department of Paleodeophysics and Geodynamics. Dr. Mörner is and an expert reviewer for the IPCC, leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project, and past president of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes.
The point being, there is enough doubt out there and propoganda that makes this all look like crap being shoved down ones throat. This is the problem here.

-S

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 04:41 PM
The more I read on this stuff, the more I realize this is about control. They are getting our industrialized societies to back off, have us step out of our SUV's, so that they can still drive them and control the rest of us. That is what I see.

Al Gore - a politician. A liar. Has the biggest carbon footprint measured yet. Yet he is the one trying to do this? Is he serious? AM I reading this right? This is ridiculous!

Something big is afoot. Some sort of crap going on behind the scenes and I am not liking what I see.

-S

PS. I feel like one of the last person on the planet that can think for themselves. The news media controls the rest.

MothBalls 04-04-08 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Of course 1 in 4 Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth,
The other three think it revolves around them.

August 04-04-08 04:48 PM
[quote=MothBalls]
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Of course 1 in 4 Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth,
The other three think it revolves around them.
I know one whose butt is so big it has it's own gravity...

Tchocky 04-04-08 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Al Gore - a politician. A liar. Has the biggest carbon footprint measured yet. Yet he is the one trying to do this? Is he serious? AM I reading this right? This is ridiculous!
He's interested in it, aye. Al Gore is not the be-all and end-all of enviromentalism.
Regarding his carbon footprint, this has been done to death in another thread, long time ago.

STEED 04-04-08 05:35 PM
Climate change. :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

SUBMAN1 04-04-08 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
He's interested in it, aye. Al Gore is not the be-all and end-all of enviromentalism.
Regarding his carbon footprint, this has been done to death in another thread, long time ago.
Short answer - hypocrite. I refuse to take information from someone who fails to practice what he preaches. What a bastard.

Wait to see the fall out - this will be used as an excuse to pull us out of our capability to be mobile, to heating our house. It will have a snowball effect. That is all its good for, and its all a lie.

-S

Tchocky 04-04-08 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
He's interested in it, aye. Al Gore is not the be-all and end-all of enviromentalism.
Regarding his carbon footprint, this has been done to death in another thread, long time ago.
Short answer - hypocrite.
*sigh* Al Gore is not the be-all and end-all of environmentalism.
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I refuse to take information from someone who fails to practice what he preaches. What a bastard.
*sigh* Al Gore is not the be-all and end-all of enviromentalism.
Go find out about his personal energy usage, if you want to keep concentrating on this. Like I said, it's already been done.
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That is all its good for, and its all a lie.

-S
I would be fascinated if you could back that up with any credible evidence.


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