OK we have had this very same discussion here lots of times, and in the end the result is also always the same: Some people like it, some don't, each has his own reasons. So please stop trashing SH4, SH3 or any other game, if you didn't like it you have the right to do so -you payed for it- and maybe somewhen you change your mind or not.

That's all folks....

personnaly i'll purchased it even if i don't play it for the reason numbered above

I still enjoy 1985's Silent Service. So I doubt I will be so disapointed by SHIV, whenever I get my hands on it.
Unless somebody is going to tell me Silent Service is a better game?

World War Two was a big war fought in a lot of different geography. I remember when playing tank minatures there was a lot of theater preference with the participants. Some prefered the grim austerity of the eastern front. Some, the shimmering deserts of Libya and Egypt. Some the great Allied landings and liberation in the west. It doesn't surprise that the same thing happens at sea with the subs.

I just feel lucky that I like both the Atlantic and the Pacific. :-j

With SH4 retailing so cheaply compared to its MSRP of $49.99 when it was first released, for those interested, it's worth a shot just to check it out.

Some of the modders have gotten burned out or bored with SH3 while others are simply intrigued with new opportunities presented by modding SH4 and its Pacific u-boat campaigns add-on (It's too small to really call it an expansion).

There will still be others left to carry on in their stead, at least for a time, but all things must end and that comes very swiftly indeed with computer games when their popularity is typically just a couple of years before fading away.

A thriving mod community can grant a temporary stay on that end but five years is the longest I've ever seen any game last before being winnowed down to just a core of die-hard fans.

My system barely meets the specs to even run SH4 and I very much doubt that situation will change anytime soon.

Besides, I like the whole "Das Bootiness" of SH3 and the war for the Atlantic has a certain quality akin to the sagas of the old Viking eddas. The lone island of the Bretons standing against the barbarian might of the Teutons, and all that. Very mythic, old-world stuff.

If it weren't for SH3, I'd probably be flying with the 8th Air Force over Europe, flying formation with the other B-17s.

I'll second that Hitman :yep:


RDP

I don't think that you wasted money by buying SH4 + addon. In worst case scenario , you won't find any fun till GWX for SH4 comes out and at that time i doubt that pricing will be different then now.

I can understand that you can't find your scene or fun in Fleetboat, for one you are not underdog that is having tougher and tougher time as years advance.I found PTO easy, and i tried all mods there available.

But thats not stopping me from hoping that it will get better,while still having fun, because it can only get better.

SH4 has huge moding potential , bigger then SH3 , and will shine soon.Look at it as investment for the future.

WTF!!! Slaps head must be that wiskey i had last night! :) Totally agree with you Dowly both good games in their own way.:up:

Unless something that rivals GWX comes out for SH4, I don't see myself playing it.

I might get it to have a look, as I'll probably get a lot of different games / simulations in the next few years.


But right now, as with a select few other games I've encountered in my career, I will be playing this one 5 years from now.
I had a pretty slick machine 5 years ago when I got it, but now my P4 478 2.4 isn't compatible with the newest motherboards. My RAM was only 1 GB (Only! Ha. My computing started on a 386 overclocked to 486). My graphics card has to be AGP, and I am stuck trying to track down SD RAM to upgrade it.

But for GWX I've gone out of the way to do it. New graphics card, more RAM, I've even ripped off the side casing of my computer and placed a 2" wide, 12" blade desk fan at the side to keep it cool during use.
[By the way; anyone stuck with an older machine like me that wants to beef up performance on the cheap - try Ebay. I've got three 1GB P133 SD RAM sticks on the way for $80!]


Hopefully in the next year or two they release the hard code for SH III it will unlock even more possibilities.

What I'd really like to see is an Ubisoft expansion of the Battle of the Atlantic / SH III using the same SH III engine (so we all don't need a Cray to run it); just extremely fine tuned AI, units, events, historical accuracy, etc.

If something as suberb as GWX can be produced by individuals on their own time, I'd like to see what the people who came up with the hard code can do given a corporate budget / man-hours.

In the perfect world, the folks at Ubisoft would already have their heads out of their asses and into the history books researching... and they would be starting with GWX as the base.


Long story short: When it comes to submarine simulation, unless something absolutely ground-breaking comes along, I'll be sticking with SH III GWX.

I bought SH4 when it's arrived but my rig can't play it good, so I let it be.

Now I have better rig (AMD 5000+ X2, 3GB RAM, GF8600GT) and week ago installed again SH3/GWX2/S3cmdr and SH4 with U-Boat addon.

There are some who likes mother and some who likes dotter... :yep:

But what about if likes both :oops: :smug:

SH4 isn't my cup of coffee.:nope: SH3 has more caffeine in it.:up: Its beans have been roasting much longer too.:yep: Gives it that, "Je ne c'est quoi" taste? :rotfl:

I like the concept of SH4. Heck, I think we all grew up on movies/games of US subs.
My biggest problem with SH4 is the interface.

It may be that I am so used to SH3 interfaces (and I am), but I have truly tried with SH4 and keep stumbling.

After many years/decades/centuries of practice, I have manual targeting down pat in SH3. Would not consider playing SH3 without manual targeting.

However in SH4, I have a hard time sinking anything. Every manual targeting step seems to take so much longer in SH4 than with SH3. The only explanation is the interface. Now each step does not take all that long, but when you have to set up quickly or your are under stress, I find the targeting interfaces of SH4 to be awkward.

In SH3, everything seems to fly. Even using OLC's wheel of frustration, manual targeting seems quicker and more intuitive.

I will keep going back to SH4. I hope it is truly a matter of getting used to the new interface. That is really my only significant problem with the game.

Gah, you really think I think they are both good?! :rotfl: This was a response to what Danlisa posted earlier:

:lol:

Dammit! :damn:

Slow fuse day there matey? :88)