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ReallyDedPoet 03-16-08 08:27 PM

The member says that he likes discussing games, understanding how they work, I tend to believe this from seeing his various posts and threads on the subject. Has he ruffled a few feathers with some of his
posts ( not counting this one :D ) yeah he probably has, but who among us hasn't at some point in time here. Who at SUBSIM has a flawless posting record? Easy answer to that, nobody. I should also mention that MS has posted similar questions over at SH4 regarding that game and it's various mods. So I don't think there are any ill intentions, just a better understanding of how it all works.

That in itself is a testament to the quality of GWX. Many folks play it, others want to understand it.

Yeah I guess this is easy for me to say, I did not invest the time and energy ( and I am
not saying this lightly ) into making GWX what it is, it's a great mod. But maybe that is why it makes it easier to offer an opinion here, as somebody from the outside looking in and observing this.


RDP

Kpt. Lehmann 03-16-08 08:47 PM

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However, if you wish to contine deconstructive "analytical" performance of the sim... you should first remove GWX... and test/post/analyze STOCK SH3 with as much passion/persistence as you have done with SH3+GWX.

Are your posts negative? I believe that collectively they most certainly are.

At the risk getting snapped at again ... here goes.

You look at all this and see negativity. You see that, because you start from a posture which is already defensive.

Yes, it is true that I perhaps only played the stock game 1.4b for about just a week.

You take it to mean that I wanted to move on to immediate deconstructing and begin assailing GWX.

On the contrary it could mean that I felt that anything beyond a week with the stock SH3 was a waste of my time. I actually started with GWX 1.03 and only went to the trouble of upgrading to 2.00 after you explained to me how the campaign layers had been rewritten to vastly improve randomness and convoy behavior. I had shelved SH3/GWX for six months for reasons that had nothing to do with the game.

However, I resumed with GWX and not one of the other total mods. If you weren't caught up looking for negative attacks, it might be seen that I picked up GWX, since it held the reputation of being the top contemporary WWII sub simulation available. It might be seen that I continue to play it, analyze it, and post about it, because it holds great interest and presents an interesting challenge. My life isn't so small that I have time to waste tearing apart the work of you and your team. You might see these post (all very polite) for the enthusiasm they are.

Instead despite knowing my background in games and systems, you reject my sincere interest in examining the game closely (as I do with all games I play). I understand quite well the limitations which not having the source code imposes upon modders. So, I probably know better than most how much you've done with what the limited tools you had. Finally, everyone gets touchy when other games get mentioned. Well, this is, in fact, a subsim Web site as opposed to the UBI forums. It should be possible to mention other titles if it they are discussed in the context of SH3.

Bottomline: You and the rest of your team could just easily find praise and respect in my posts if you weren't on the defensive to begin with. The way this thread turned out is a shame. In general, it is better for the health of GWX and its evolution to encourage discussion and risk someone degrading it, than to be seen slapping down someone who is sincerely interested in it as has happened here. Too much of this and you end up with the Harpoon community where there are nothing but feuds and noobs learn quickly not to post.

It is unfortunate that you feel "slapped down" or "snapped at." My response was quite tempered... and dare I say logical... beyond being produced purely from a supposed "defensive posture." Looking at all the other threads you've produced to scrutinize GWX... I don't think you appreciate just how cool we have been given the recurring theme of your posts and criticism of GWX.

In return for questioning your line of reasoning, and pointing out that marching behind your credentials does not remove the validity of our own thoughts... you've painted (specifically me) up to be a paranoid, egotistical despot. Seems to me that your true colors have just seen the light of day. That is your spin on things.

Coat it with as much sugar as you like. You established the pattern.

If it looks like a duck... well...

Markshot, if you can't survive opposition on occasion, you aren't going to enjoy your time on ANY forum.

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ReallyDedPoet 03-16-08 08:51 PM

Better to end this now. -sigh-


RDP


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