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Sailor Steve 03-16-08 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by M. Sarsfield
I'd like to see a mod where you can operate one of these raiders. Btw, weren't these normally referred to as "flaklighters"?

I think the flaklighters were coastal convoy escorts. I saw them mentioned once in a book about the Channel PT-boat war.

Not sure, but I think this is him:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3..._16211_968.jpg

M. Sarsfield 03-16-08 07:36 PM

Nice pic. Is that the SHIV museum?

Quillan 03-16-08 07:41 PM

They've announced the finding of the wreckage of the Sydney:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...602237607.html

bookworm_020 03-16-08 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Quillan
They've announced the finding of the wreckage of the Sydney:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...602237607.html

Darn! You Beat me to the reply!:-?

Raptor1 03-17-08 12:03 AM

Great, now they just need to find what happened to her...

LukeFF 03-17-08 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1
Great, now they just need to find what happened to her...

Not likely to happen when all of Sydney's crew met their destiny at sea.

TheSatyr 03-17-08 01:43 AM

Since the Kormoran survivors said the Sidney was on fire fore and aft when she disengaged,my guess would be that one of her magazines went off.

We'll know more when they start taking photos (or film) of her.

JScones 03-17-08 02:24 AM

There's a pretty cool documentary (part of the Battlefront or somesuch series) that focuses on the German Commerce Raiders - even shows actual footage of Pinguin in action with the Norwegian Whaling fleet.

Highly recommended for those interested in this somewhat overlooked aspect of the sea war.

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Originally Posted by Quillan
They've announced the finding of the wreckage of the Sydney:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...602237607.html

After finding the Kormoran I knew it would only be a short matter of time.

This is great to hear...but sad to hear at the same time. Still, a lot of closure for a lot of families.

GerritJ9 03-17-08 10:01 AM

Some sonar scan images of both "Kormoran" and "Sydney" can be found here:

http://www.findingsydney.com/

Photos of the wrecks will probably be published at a later date.

Sailor Steve 03-17-08 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by M. Sarsfield
Nice pic. Is that the SHIV museum?

SH3-GWX. I still can't play SH4.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Never heard of it?? I've always thought of it as a famous story; the only time an actual warship was tricked and sunk by a glorified merchant.

Re-reading this I can't believe I didn't remember it before. It was the only time in modern warfare that this happened, but two hundred years ago there was the converted merchant Bonhomme Richard vs the Frigate HMS Serapis; John Paul Jones vs Richard Pearson; "I have not yet begun to fight!"

Raptor1 03-17-08 11:54 AM

Looking at the Sydney scans, the wreck seems relatively intact, wouldn't a magazine explosion tear the ship to pieces, like HMS Hood?

Torps 03-17-08 01:01 PM

Sonar does indicate Sydney is in one piece and on her side.

M. Sarsfield 03-17-08 01:05 PM

Yeah. The article said that they think the bow may have come off and it may have been the reason why she finally went down.

Major Johnson 03-17-08 01:10 PM

The article said the large piece of debri in front the ship could be the bow. That being the case, the magazine hold may have been in that part of the ship and ignited, blowing the piece of the bow off. I imagine it wouldn't take long after that for the ship to sink.

Raptor1 03-17-08 01:17 PM

We'll just have to wait for the ROV photos/videos to be sure, A magazine explosion on the front might explain why there are no survivors, but would also have probably vaporized the front section of the ship...


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