Since 1991 the most powerful country on the planet had been bombing Iraq - often with the expressed objective of eliminating suspected WMD storage/production facilities. It should not be surprising that these may have in fact been completely destroyed in the late '90s.

There is a difference between having a reason to believe something and wanting to believe something. And ALL evidence points to the FACT that at the time of the invasion, and probably years before, no WMDs were to be found in Iraq.

PD

Well said, this is my point. US and it's allies attacked Iraq with no solid proof, ok you all know how I feel about it. But now, the western countries are pointing their guns to Iran. For what? Because their leader hates the western ppl? Come on ppl, who would be that stupid to really believe that Iran would attack anywhere? They just cant do that, it would result in an armed answer from the western world. Nukes? They'd maybe have the time to blow up one or two western cities, before they would be nuked. Now, what's the point in them doing that? We are talking about some million dead westerns against many more on Iran's side. If they think we western are so fricking bad ppl, what it would help them to kill, let's say 2mil of us in cost of 10mil of their countrymen in retaliation strikes?

I don't think it was spare parts. I think they were buried by Iraqi Air Force people who knew the 2003 invasion really would culminate in the US going "all the way". And rather then have their aircraft destroyed in the air or on the ground (even hiding them among the civillian population wasn't safe anymore with concrete filled LGBs), they decided to put them somewhere where they might be able to use them later on.

PD

Now that is up for debate. I believe the Isrealies more than I ever believe our US media. WHy do you think Syria was bombed?

http://www.nysun.com/article/24480

Here are ex Iraqies saying the same thing:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=36463


And Dave Gaubatz will disgree with you till he is dead and in his grave:

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=502

http://www.davegaubatz.com/

-S

WMDs found in Iraq: http://www.reuters.com/article/peopl...54496320080310 :)

More of PD's opinions to follow:
Iran certainly is pursuing nuclear weapons. I don't think they intend to use them or hand them out to terrorist types. They just want to be treated like a real player and have something that they feel would ensure their security against US bully'ism. You have to look at it from their perspective. They see North Korea get a bomb, and what do they get? Serious negotiations with major world powers. And with US taking up what may be permanent strategic positions on their western and eastern borders, they know they'll have to deal with us in the long run. And they want to do it through a position of strength. Hence the naval bravado (capturing Brits, scaring the hell out of a USN warship) and nuclear weapon/ballistic missile tech seeking.

Unfortunately for them (and the rest of the world), I don't think the Iranians understand just how seriously this administration is contemplating bully-through-airpower tactics and worse in response to their, "Look at us! We're big boys too!" moves.

PD

Well, since CHuck Norris isn't in Iraq, I have to disagree with that assesment! :D Read my provious links, espcially the Dave G. reports.

ANyway, I am not so sure that given them the bomb is a bad idea however. SOmething tells me that before they get around to nuking us with advanced mini bombs, they will nuke themselves back to the stone age.

-S

Aye, we are thinking pretty much the same way. The way I see it, US and some of it's allies have nukes, which are baaaaaad. Still, they are keeping theirs "for their on safety" they reject other countries from having them. I mean, I know alot of will disagree with me, but isnt that a tad twisted?

You know why its not? Because the very people making them are the very people who are threatening to use them - Iran threatening to destroy Isreal off the map comes to mind. Last I checked, the US didn't want to nuke anyone, but keep them strictly for the MAD policy.

-S

Yes, but would Iran do that? They attacking Israel would start an armed response from the west right? They would gain nothing from it. After the defend of Israel the West would most propably invade Iran. And Iran would lose. Please, guys, let them stretch their muscles, they arent stupid to do anything. ;)

Frankly, I don't give ANY creedence to exile groups who will do anything to get the USA to free their $hithole from oppressive dictator of the day and then and then slam the door on us once they get back in power. The INC and Chalabi pulled EXACTLY the same crap. And now look at where we are.

I don't know much about Mr. Gaubatz, but if all he can come up with for his efforts are interviews with Fox News and his own website I just can't think he's legit. I mean come on, if there was serious evidence of WMDs don't you think more than one person would be crowing about it? Tons of people would LOVE to have that drop from the sky like God given manna to the neo con movement. It would save a lot of people politically.

I personally don't trust the Israelis at all (not to say I trust the US media either). They drain my tax dollars for a first class military/domestic "joint" military R&D bought and paid for by the US government right before they turn around and sell it to the Chinese. The time to give anything to the Israelis for free ended after the USSR broke up. They are far more of a liability now than any sort of real ally. And since we give them all the cool guns, guess who else we have to sell to? Good for them though, they bombed a Syrian WMD site a few times.

PD

Trust me, the US would be the first country to get rid of it's nukes if everybody else agreed to. We need them the least due to the strength of our conventional forces. 3rd world countries see them as an "easy" way to the big leagues and preventing the US from playing aerial assassin with impunity.

PD

I loved his action movies when I was a kid! He's a legit martial artist, though. I wouldn't call him a joke. He's recently very popular again due to the Chuck Norris facts website.

PD

Thats the problem - they can't 'discredit' Gaubatz. He is highly decorated and yet his message is a liability to both democrats and republicans alike. Couple this to a person who is best described as one of the purest and unselfish form of human that has probably walked the Earth, and the US Gov has a problem with him. THey can't just sweep him under the rug, so they are just hoping no one notices him for now.

This will show that he is well known, and not just involved with WMD's:

http://www.davegaubatz.com/files/Pau...graphy_pdf.pdf

http://www.antimedia.us/dave_gaubatz/

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blog...e-gaubatz.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...4-27EEDE7AF8CB

http://www.intelligencesummit.org/sp...vidGaubatz.php

http://www.nysun.com/article/27183

http://www.mappingsharia.us/Jihad-in...cle-429-65.htm

How many do you want? There are thousands of them.



Some articles by him:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...ctives_of.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...united_st.html

-S

Let's hear the Symphony of Lies once again with full volume :rock:
Don't forget to note the part of Colin Powell's speech from Feb, 2001

Personally, I don't hate Bushie as much as I hate Donald Duckling Rumsy and Penis Cheney. Hope that this duo will burn in hell

Oh, I don't think he's some crazy. I understand he's a well respected professional. Just I think if there was something to it he WOULD garner more attention. Just him isn't enough for me.

And it isn't that I don't think there's any "reasonable doubt" concerning Iraqi WMDs. I, just like anyone else, can never be 100% sure. Because the physical reality, as mentioned earlier, is that it isn't too difficult to hide a small inventory of say chemical weapons. I just remain unconvinced that there was a reason for Saddam in his calculus of survival (which he was very skilled at) to possess WMDs after the late '90s. Stick it to the western world via weapons inspectors, sure. Sticking it to the western world just happens to be the national identity he created for Iraq that held his country together. But I think he knew if there was any real hard evidence of WMDs in his country post 9-11, his career would be over in short order. And I just don't think he would even take the chance of stashing a few artillery shells with chemical tipped warheads under his sons' mattresses "just in case" the Kurds or Shiia got uppity again. Let alone be caught with a real WMD program or inventory, he was too smart for that. Whether by his hands or ours, I believe Iraq's WMD capabilities withered away in the very early part of 21st century.

PD