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Konovalov 03-13-08 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Does anyone agree with her?

I think she's dead wrong, but I've been wrong before.

Not me.

And yes I agree with you.

sonar732 03-13-08 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky
Does anyone agree with her?

I think she's dead wrong, but I've been wrong before.

Look at this excellent piece of journalism by Keith Olbermann. Honestly, he cuts straight to the chase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBXD2zizIY

WOW! That was a good commentary!

Tchocky 03-13-08 11:02 AM

Yup yup.
I'm often wary when watching Olbermann. He's a very forceful speaker, and sometimes he walks on unstable interpretative ground, which is not a problem for more soft-spoken commentators. In a way, he's taking risks that lots os commentators won't.

He's spot-on here.

NEON DEON 03-13-08 06:48 PM

Has Obama fired his pastor?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

"Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America.""


:down: :down: :down:

Tchocky 03-13-08 06:59 PM

I responded to this in the Sticky at the top :up:

STEED 03-13-08 07:23 PM

Obama will increase lead but Obama and Clinton will be after those super votes the way things are going. One thing is for sure, the Democrats don't want this to go on much longer as the Republicans are first off the blocks after the vote for the big one.

NEON DEON 03-13-08 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
I responded to this in the Sticky at the top :up:

The post was not directed at you.

Besides I read your post and I dont see an answer to did Obama fire his Pastor?

His response should have been I Dont go to that church anymore and he is no longer my pastor.

Honestly. OBH Wants to take the oath of office to protect and defend the US while refusing to put proper distance between him and people who make remarks like this:

"God Damn America"



He is not Obama's eccentric Uncle. He is a leader. The Pastor of his church that he has been going to for the last 20 years.

Konovalov 03-14-08 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Has Obama fired his pastor?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

"Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America.""


:down: :down: :down:

How on earth can you fire the pastor? :-? As far as I'm aware this pastor is not employed by Senator Obama.

NEON DEON 03-14-08 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov
Quote:

Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Has Obama fired his pastor?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

"Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America.""


:down: :down: :down:

How on earth can you fire the pastor? :-? As far as I'm aware this pastor is not employed by Senator Obama.

Oh that is easy you go to another church.;)

NEON DEON 03-15-08 03:06 AM

Obama will lose 3 large states. PA, MI, and Fl. These will push Clinton past Obama in popular vote but not in total delegates. Puerto Rico votes almost last on June 1st with 55 delagates which will be winner take all and go to Clinton which will put her right up with Obama delegate-wise. The Super delegates seeing that there is no clear winner and that Clinton has taken the popular vote will now turn decidedly toward Hillary givng her the democratic nomination.

Anyways that is how my crytal ball sees it.:D

Von Tonner 03-15-08 03:22 AM

March 14, 2008 On My Faith and My Church

Barack Obama
The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.
Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.



and:




With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.
Barack Obama is a Democratic Senator from Illinois and a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Full statement here:



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...my_church.html

This is what I find puzzling about Obama. He always seems to hold back waiting for the bush fire to really catch before attempting to douse it. Not clever politics at all.

Von Tonner 03-15-08 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Obama will lose 3 large states. PA, MI, and Fl. These will push Clinton past Obama in popular vote but not in total delegates. Puerto Rico votes almost last on June 1st with 55 delagates which will be winner take all and go to Clinton which will put her right up with Obama delegate-wise. The Super delegates seeing that there is no clear winner and that Clinton has taken the popular vote will now turn decidedly toward Hillary givng her the democratic nomination.

Anyways that is how my crytal ball sees it.:D

King, on CNN with his fancy dancy 'touch-me-screen" extrapolated a 65% to 35% win in favour of Clinton in the remainig states to illustrate the high improbability of her catching Obama, let alone overtaking him. If memory serves me correctly, Clinton has only beaten Obama by more than 20% in only 2 of the states she has won, while he has beaten her by 20% and more in something like 11 states.

These stats argue against her catching him up on the popular vote as well. She has to really blow him out the water in more than 3 or more states to be in the running and to date, she has not been able to achieve it. Even if Florida and Michigan are taken in as they now stand she still does not catch him in popular vote or delegates.

If winning delegates is the criteria on which winning a state or losing it is based, and this IS what is used by the Democratic Party, then Obama walked out of Texas with more pledged delegates to his name than she did i.e. He WON Texas given its "two-step" process.

NEON DEON 03-15-08 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner
Quote:

Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Obama will lose 3 large states. PA, MI, and Fl. These will push Clinton past Obama in popular vote but not in total delegates. Puerto Rico votes almost last on June 1st with 55 delagates which will be winner take all and go to Clinton which will put her right up with Obama delegate-wise. The Super delegates seeing that there is no clear winner and that Clinton has taken the popular vote will now turn decidedly toward Hillary givng her the democratic nomination.

Anyways that is how my crytal ball sees it.:D

King, on CNN with his fancy dancy 'touch-me-screen" extrapolated a 65% to 35% win in favour of Clinton in the remainig states to illustrate the high improbability of her catching Obama, let alone overtaking him. If memory serves me correctly, Clinton has only beaten Obama by more than 20% in only 2 of the states she has won, while he has beaten her by 20% and more in something like 11 states.

These stats argue against her catching him up on the popular vote as well. She has to really blow him out the water in more than 3 or more states to be in the running and to date, she has not been able to achieve it. Even if Florida and Michigan are taken in as they now stand she still does not catch him in popular vote or delegates.

If winning delegates is the criteria on which winning a state or losing it is based, and this IS what is used by the Democratic Party, then Obama walked out of Texas with more pledged delegates to his name than she did i.e. He WON Texas given its "two-step" process.

I believe you have the figures skewed.

Right now not counting michigan at all Obama leads the popular vote by about 60 thousand. PA will erase that lead. Poof its gone. Puerto Rico votes winner take all so 55 delegates in June will all go one way with no split. Clinton does not have to draw ahead in regular delegates she just has to keep obama from getting the required number of delegates to win the election. I believe this will happen and I would like to see the CNN fancy dancy report to verify if they had Puerto Rico voting winner take all.

So Super delegates will have to be called upon to deal with it. The Super Delagates are charged with putting things in perspective in regards as to how they as a party can defeat the Republicans. Since the President of the U S is elected via the Electoral College the super delegates will pretty much vote Clintons way because thestates are winner take all. So yes Obama can win Vermont, South Carolina and little states but lose almost every large state in the Union.

I think I will do my own fancy dancy winner take all electoral college review of Clinton vs Obama. :D

BTW: I also believe that momentum has swung Clinton's way due to the recent news stories in regards to Obamas relationship with his Pastor Reverend Wright.

sonar732 03-15-08 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON
BTW: I also believe that momentum has swung Clinton's way due to the recent news stories in regards to Obamas relationship with his Pastor Reverend Wright.

Each time that the pastor has became an issue, Obama has wisely distanced himself from the comments. Granted, when the religion has become a factor, he has talked highly of their relationship. :hmm::hmm:

Von Tonner 03-16-08 04:15 AM

If the road to the nomination was narrow for Hillary Clinton, this weekend it just got a whole lot narrower. In fact, some would argue that they can now hear the fat lady warming up.


Obama has increased his delegate lead and Pelosi has sent a clear message to superdelegates to focus on pledged delegates only, discounting the popular vote altogether. And if that isn’t bad enough for Hillary, a number of delegates switched from Edwards to Obama in Iowa.


In her interview, Pelosi also said that even if one candidate winds up with a larger share of the popular vote than the delegate leader, the candidate who has more delegates should prevail.
"It's a delegate race," she said. "The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...may-do-damage/


Obama increases lead:
Counting Saturday's new figures from Iowa and California, an Associated Press delegate tally showed Obama with 1,617 delegates and Clinton with 1,498.
http://www.mlive.com/elections/


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