Being in an ex-communism country, liberalism, on the economic and the social level is high. I get a strange look and an angry fist every time I try to speak about morals, values, the importance of hard work and so on. They always say "Who would listen to you?! You're an idiot to think this way!". Then there are others who just look away, knowing that I'm right, but don't have the courage to stand up and say what they want. I've always been a thorn in the side of modern society, and as such I stand up.

Back to the point, I believe that what the Italians have done this time around is just utterly wrong on so, so many levels that one can't think of it. It's a total breakdown of the social order. Then it will become a precedent and more laws allowing something similar will come. I'm not Catholic, yet I hope that the Pope condems this horrible act of so called justice.

I agree with many a member here on this forums. What have we given to our children? Bad parents pop up as mushrooms after the rain. If it goes on like this, what will our society look like in 50 years? 100? more? The problems of modern liberal society is that it only looks at pleasure at the present moment and doesn't look into the future or the consequences it's actions can have on the society in general.

Exactly. We don't think of our future just the now. What examples are we setting for our children? Me me me, my wants my needs and not the we.

AVGWarhawk your case I feel for you and your brother, :nope: heres one of my stories.

My brother is even in a worse predicament. A few years ago he had a woman he thought was honourable got together through mutual love. In time they were planning on marrage and was having a child with her. They lived with our parents place to help them save money to buy a house. When their baby was being delivered a nurse accidentally gave him his girlfriend’s medical records. She had over 30 abortions in her youth and a serious drug history even with in there relationship. He was shocked he was told a different story by her. Not long after that they broke up and she filed for custody of the child. They both got 50/50 custody. My brother was lucky because he had a amazing lawyer and strong family ties.

In my country women have a lot of power when it comes to children. It was caused by old laws that have been set by the Catholic Church here long ago. Last 20 years men have been fighting for their rights to have equal right to see their own children on a 50/50 basis. Slowly the laws are becoming more equal.
Fortunate my brother is financially stable and can afford a good lawyer. She has a shady past because her father has ties to shady characters. Her drug habits don’t help either. She already had a child with another man before my brother and as of today she has 2 more, one about to be delivered soon. 4 children total with 4 different men.

Here’s her motivation? Our society has and good system for woman who need financial help when there in a jam. But many women who know the system can abuse it. She uses the system to get alimony payment from each of these men to support her herself and government supplements her with a nice pay check courtesy of the tax payer. Problem is there are women who really need this and are good and in trouble. Scum like my brother ex-girlfriend give a bad name to good mothers.

My brother with his amazing lawyer won a hallmark battle against her a few years back. Twice she gave up her right to make power of attorney decision for her child in two cases. She tried to correct her mistake the first time but buggered herself up a second. My brother tactics was ruthless with his lawyer’s guidance. Yet despite this with 2 judge’s signatures she can at any time change her mind. Few weeks ago they went back to court over dispute to send my nephew to a school. She wanted it done her way, to send him to a school of her choice and tried to override my brother’s decision. Yet choice made by her own signature says she can’t choose according to the law. In the end it’s the judge’s choice. We are still waiting for the answer. Logic in the case favours my brother; she used the helpless victim technique. If the judge is rational this is an easy case for my brother.

These battles never end nice. The one who suffers the most is my little nephew. My daughter and her cousin are almost the same age only a few months off. It would be sad if she can’t see him anymore.

Here is another crazy law passed a few years ago.
In my country specifically my province if you live with someone for over 7 months you becomes common law a lesser marriage. Lol you’re married without having to go to church or the judge. It’s preordained lesser marriage. Everything is 50/50 well suppose to be that. Your taxes are also combined. Yes if you share an apartment with guy friends you’re married by law after 7 months. :rotfl: Crazy.:huh: It’s not a real full marriage but you get many of the same privileges.

Where is the honour in our ourselves when society has no honour. Baw this world is getting flushed down the toilette.:roll:

In the U.S. the norm is seven years and it's called a Common Law Marriage.

That's why I keep saying to my boys: DON'T MARRY .. EVER!

Yeah, my kids' partners will have a thorough screening process, to be sure. It'll be like the Office Of Phillips Family Security.

You'll need a Visa to date my daughter :rotfl::rotfl:

lol do you.:D Let see,;) :rotfl:

Check list,
Baseball bat check :up:
Shot gun check :up:
Papers check :up:
Rope check :up:
Lie detector equipment check :up:
Now where did I drop those rubber gloves.:doh:

Don't worry son this will hurt me more than you. :eek:

Look at the bright side boy if you pass the test you will be welcome to the family. :rotfl:

Don't worry Kap. Phillips your not alone. I would screen my daughters boyfriends too.:smug:

I have 4 daughters with the age ranges of 12 (almost 13), 9, 7, and 4.

The oldest all know my stance about the men they will date and the question list that will be asked of them in a dark room with one bright light shining into their eyes gustapo style. :rotfl::rotfl:

I probably wouldnt be gestapo style :lol:

But I wouldnt let just any jock dumbass date my daughter, or some prissy fool date my son. They wont like it, but they'll thank me later :yep:

I too will be like that! We've already decided, some of the guys from my unit will be around, and my bouncer mates will be around in time for the first date.

Any kid who wants to date my daughters will be spending the first date proving himself worthy to us!:rotfl:

So I need to run my visa through her slit to begin the dating process?:arrgh!:

oooooooooo, maybe a lil too crass;)

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