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mapuc 03-03-08 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
Wouldn't suprise me....he's as nutty as a fruit cake http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img134/9742/angry8se2.gif
You know that's an insult towards ....................................the fruit cake


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Jimbuna 03-04-08 08:23 AM
Fruit cakes have been known to get lodged in throats before.

Tchocky is right about easily how international public opinion can be manipulated.

mrbeast 03-04-08 08:41 AM
Don't think it would need much manipulation. A superpower like the US crushing a pretty weak country like Venezuela; just doesn't look good. Chavez might be a left wing demagogue but he poses little real threat to the US.

bradclark1 03-04-08 08:46 AM
We wouldn't crush him. That's giving him more attention than he deserves. We would probably support the hell out of Columbia with supplies and combat support.

mrbeast 03-04-08 08:55 AM
Don't think that would look much better in the end.

Shades of Cold War proxy wars returning?

bradclark1 03-04-08 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbeast
Don't think that would look much better in the end.

Shades of Cold War proxy wars returning?
Supporting a country that is being attacked by two countries for killing a kidnapping, and murdering terrorist leader has got absolutely zero to do with Cold War proxies.

Tchocky 03-04-08 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
Fruit cakes have been known to get lodged in throats before.

Tchocky is right about easily how international public opinion can be manipulated.
Not so much manipulation as plain reaction.
US goes off and wreaks havoc in a country, when it is absolutely none of their business to do so, the world will react.

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Originally Posted by Brad
Supporting a country that is being attacked by two countries for killing a kidnapping, and murdering terrorist leader has got absolutely zero to do with Cold War proxies.
Territorial incursions into soveriegn nations that, by the looks of things, have wrecked hostage negotiations is a big deal.
A State Department spokesman urged the world to recognise Colombia's right to defend itself. What about Ecuador's right not to be invaded?

sonar732 03-04-08 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bradclark1
We wouldn't crush him. That's giving him more attention than he deserves. We would probably support the hell out of Columbia with supplies and combat support.
We've already been doing that since the 80's to help fight the drug war. I'm sure that it won't take much to send more supplies and intel transfer via CIA.

bradclark1 03-04-08 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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Originally Posted by Brad
Supporting a country that is being attacked by two countries for killing a kidnapping, and murdering terrorist leader has got absolutely zero to do with Cold War proxies.
Territorial incursions into soveriegn nations that, by the looks of things, have wrecked hostage negotiations is a big deal.
A State Department spokesman urged the world to recognise Colombia's right to defend itself. What about Ecuador's right not to be invaded?
America has supported Columbia for years against FARC. Nothing has changed. FARC is a terrorist organization and doesn't negotiate with anyone except to name the price they want. You want to call Ecuador an invasion and worthy of a war go ahead. I guess you agree with Chavez that he was a nice revolutionary. I notice you don't say anything about Venezuela sticking it's nose in. America would be supporting an ally which has been one for years. That makes it our business. You may find it acceptable leave friends in the lurch but we don't.

Zayphod 03-04-08 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DeepIron
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...27633020080303

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Colombia's police chief, Gen. Oscar Naranjo, said documents found at the FARC camp in Ecuador showed evidence that Chavez gave the rebels $300 million and had suggested a deal to supply them with old rifles.
Interesting... FARC grabs hostages, Chavez meets with FARC under guise of negotiation for hostage release, offers FARC $300M and gun deal, gets a few hostages released to look good... Displays "righteous indignation" at Ecuador excursion and immediately escalates...

If true, sounds like 'ol Hugo is trying to draw Columbia and their ally, the US into a war...
Looks like a classic case of someone getting caught with their hand in the FARC cookie jar, and trying to make it look like it was all someone else's fault - yeah, they're making it up, yeah, that's the ticket...I'm innocent, and the USA is being mean to me. :shifty:

Zayphod 03-04-08 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
A State Department spokesman urged the world to recognise Colombia's right to defend itself. What about Ecuador's right not to be invaded?
Well, if they're going to play host to FARC forces.....
If the evidence on those captured laptops shows Ecuador and Venezuela are supporting those forces....

At some point, someone has to say "Enough - we're going in after them." Any country that supports terrorists by giving them a home base and save haven has to expect at least that kind of reaction after a while. (Yes, Pakistan, I'm looking at you, too!)

August 03-04-08 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bradclark1
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
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Originally Posted by Brad
Supporting a country that is being attacked by two countries for killing a kidnapping, and murdering terrorist leader has got absolutely zero to do with Cold War proxies.
Territorial incursions into soveriegn nations that, by the looks of things, have wrecked hostage negotiations is a big deal.
A State Department spokesman urged the world to recognise Colombia's right to defend itself. What about Ecuador's right not to be invaded?
America has supported Columbia for years against FARC. Nothing has changed. FARC is a terrorist organization and doesn't negotiate with anyone except to name the price they want. You want to call Ecuador an invasion and worthy of a war go ahead. I guess you agree with Chavez that he was a nice revolutionary. I notice you don't say anything about Venezuela sticking it's nose in. America would be supporting an ally which has been one for years. That makes it our business. You may find it acceptable leave friends in the lurch but we don't.
Well said Brad.

mrbeast 03-04-08 01:24 PM
What would the US do if another country, say Mexico, made an incursion across its border to assassinate someone?

sonar732 03-04-08 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbeast
What would the US do if another country, say Mexico, made an incursion across its border to assassinate someone?
More than likely provide Border Patrol Agents to suppliment the "incursion". A terrorist is a terrorist and the "common" rules don't apply.

It's funny how so many people are complaining about this when it's been going on for years around the world even before 9/11...and not by the USA.

Sea Demon 03-04-08 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbeast
What would the US do if another country, say Mexico, made an incursion across its border to assassinate someone?
Our border agents (Federal employees) have been shot at by smugglers and supposed Mexican military personnel. The US government does nothing about any of it.


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