so just have some MERCY, and give them a few four-stackers, or russian subchasers...

recently i fiddled with the Campaign SCR file, and to my horror found that near Coruna/Ferrol/spain the Big arse 25 cm guns were missing, those that defend the whole bay.
then i wanted to let them have some patrols at least... and screamt in pain as to what was available for the task.

JEEESE let us sell them a few schnellboote, vorpostenboote or Torpedoboote 1924 at the very least!?
nobody know the FAIR PLAY concept in here?

what would the Spanish goverment defend itself with? throwing shoes?

Portugal is just as desperate... if the germans had decided to invade their islands in the atlantic (for uboat and FW200 condor operations) the Portuguese could have used.... armed rawlers to stop them!

woah.

now that aint nice...

Well when you create your " whatif " mod you can give them what you like

Spanish warships 1939.

Cruisers. Canarias Class

http://www.historialago.com/av_n_cp_canarias_02.jpg

Laid down: 15 August 1928. Launched: 28 May 1931. Completed: September 1936. Retired : December 1975


Cruiser. Cervera Class

http://www.historialago.com/av_n_cl_almircervera_01.jpg

Laid down: 14 April 1923. Launched: 16 October 1925. Completed: 15 September 1928 Retired : 31 August 1965.

Cruiser Miguel De Cervantes

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9...smpl587tn4.jpg

Laid down: March 1926. Launched: 18 May 1928. Completed: 14 February 1930 Retired : 1 July 1964.

Light Cruiser Mendez Nuñez

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4238/mendeztx6.jpg

Laid down: 1915. Launched: July 1922. Completed: September 1924 Retired : 8 February 1964.

More info in: http://www.kbismarck.com/mgl/spanishcivwar.htm

Regards

That Canarias Class looks similar to the Italian Zara Heavy Cruiser.. an enterprising modder could probably do something with it.

Spain had at least 2 Battleships at the beginning of the Civil War, I don't know what happened to those

Netherlands had some coastal defence ships, those got sunk or captured in 1940 and some Cruisers but most of those were off in the Netherlands East Indies and never encountered any Uboat, but got sunk by the Japanese

Finland had Vainamoinen and Ilmarinen Coastal Defence ships, basically non-oceaic battleships, those saw some action against Russia, one was sunk by a mine

The whole missing ships issue can be applied to France (especially), Argentina, Brazil and such nations as well

there's also a plethora of British cruiser classes missing, but then we're out there to sink merchies not semi-obsolete wwI type cruisers

and ummm, Luxembourg? a Navy? :o but why? :D

Yes, but using this kind of ships until the late 60's...to fish cod, were are crazy!

Well we had F-16 but last week one crash so now we have F-15 :rotfl: ( oki, bad little joke).
I will look for the naval forces in the WW2 period and then post here.:up:

Well first of all, we were neutral, and Hilter once said that Portugal didn't have any importance to justify an invasion, only if were the last thing to do after the war was won. If it's true or not, don't know.
Second, Salazar was no dumb man in terms of foreign politics so he manage to conduct things right.
And our best weapon if we were invaded, being ourselfs, our way of life, lazyness easing going and "if I can do what I am suppost to do tomorow insted of today", complitly opose to the "german way of doing things" I think that the german arm forces and state of the time would run away after so time... :p

@Einsman: Good work.
Spanish destroyers Churruca Class were very similar to V&W destroyers. Many Spanish warship were building under English tecnical advice. Italy gave some old light warships to Nationalist Navy.
Two little battleships (España & Jaime I) were lost in Civil war. Nationalist España by mines near Santander and Republican Jaime I by internal explosion in Cartagena.
More information and pictures: http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/buques1/buques1.htm

JESUS, Rhodes, i have to confirm your lazyness thing right there...
many Portuguese Men and Families went over here (Luxembourg) in the past, and, even though we MUST respect them because in this country they do the hardest construction jobs and take on any kind of work for a good pay, we still call them "Lazy"...:D

Others...

Vamonos muchachos.
That is some proper stuff.

let me set up Pack3D and some other things and we can have Iberian forces soon.

What if i went to a neutral port like Ferrol and found a merchant? an allied merchant, in 1943, armed and angry?

THEN, Friends we need the the Spanish to be armed too!
it would be like a german and a brit doing a Boxmatch at a Spanish Party.
The Spanish would kick them both out and tell them to go feck themselves.
(and they would have fun kickin us, too!)

THAT is why we need every Country to have a proper Navy.
Neutral or not, ones got to respect himself and keep the house clean.
:|\\ :D

This is what i am talking about, baby.
http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/buques1/churru2.htm

:rock:

true power

I rest my case...ehehhehe

Oki, back to business:

The portuguese naval forces during the WW2 years were:
We got 5 destroyers class Vouga (names are in portuguese because many of the ships were built in Portugal, but many times were based in english classes with some light modifications).

6 "warnigs ships of 1º and 2º" (Avisos, possibly our designation of sloops); 2 ships Class Gonçalo Velho, slight modify version of the class Bridgewater (England would classify as sloops).
And other small arm ships.

Submarines, we got 3 Vickers-Armstrong class subs,the Delfim, the Espadarte andthe Golfinho, made in Barrows.

Pics:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7753/scan1js1.jpg
The "warning" Gonçalo Velho (sloop)

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4200/scan2ej3.jpg
The destroyer Tejo of the Vouga Class in 1934!

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9848/sub1db3.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7126/sub2md9.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3938/sub3ey8.jpg

3 images of the Submarines. The first shows all three Vickers-Armstrong class subs and the next two the Delfim sub.

It´s what I could get in short notice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUwBnV0HZZI

a picture is worth a thousand words.

viva espana...?:D

gunboats and armed tugs, proper DDs and a lot of smiles.:D

double post

didnt the Irish have some warships, as an island, that had just achieved partial independence with no navy, we probably felt desperately exposed, and must have built a reasonable defence force

From Wikipedia on Irish Navy during wwII

1939-1945

In 1939 the Irish Government ordered two Motor Torpedo Boats from Vospers UK. When World War II began in September 1939 the Marine and Coastwatching Service was set up. In order for Ireland to remain neutral, it became clear that a full naval service would be required. The government consequentially ordered an additional 4 MTBs. by the end of 1940 the Irish Marine and Coastwatching Service consisted of 6 MTB's and 4 other assorted craft. During the War the Service regulated merchant ships, protected fisheries, and laid mines in Cork and Waterford. When the war ended, the Service was renamed the "Irish Marine Service".

Those few Irish MTBs are already in SH3 :up: