You know very well my opinions are of my own. Don't ever accuse me of someone elses opinion. Thats a pretty stupid argument too by the way.

Hardly. Yawn. THere is even no way we won't comply with this latest request. Skybird Fantasyland again.

Probably, but only after our PC matches yours - PC will be our downward spiral if we let it continue in its crazy form. Good thing Germany and Europe as a whole will be first since we will have the oppurtunity to learn from your mistakes.

-S

Well, it's pretty obvious that they've got everything under control now, and US forces are no longer needed. We know the Iraqi forces will keep the peace from now on, and do a great job of it, too.

Thank you and goodnight all. We'll be heading back to the USA tomorrow. Glad we could help.

so let me get this straight
 

The Shiite controlled Iraqi govt wants to chase out the US army? Wow! Iran really must be worrying that an attack is imminent. Looks like they also figured out that the US is slowly moving toward reinstalling the Sunnis.

:|\\

Yes (all countries do that). I just find it strange that you said "we", because these decisions usually are made by people a lot brighter than you :yep:

I'm not sure what you are getting at, but yes, their are many people out there much smarter than me. We means us, as a Nation, my Nation.

-S

Certainly those are people brighter than me, too. You just sounded like a complete fool who thinks he can boast because he's American.

Though I agree with the essence of your statement, it's still something that could turn against your country one day.

Well then, I won't tell you what you sounded like in your statement either then since we are on the same page! :D But I get where you are coming from.

Anything can turn against anything. To not prepare for war against any country is to be caught unaware and conquered at some point. A president needs to be able to call the pentegon and get an instant plan of action for any country in the world at any time. Iraq to even Canada, a plan most definetly exists in many different variations. At least they better! I pay my tax dollars into that damn pentegon yearly, so they better have a plan! :)

-S

A man with sensitivity! ;)

Do you really think they have a plan, at least at this very moment?

I mean I can understand why the war in Vietnam was pursued, at least in the first years, and I was cheering when you kicked Saddams ass out of Kuwait, but Iraq is 100% pointless and regretable.

Not really. I mean, it sends a message that the US won't be pushed around more than anything. Saddam had a ceasefire drawn against him. He agreed to it, and then after it goes into affect, he kicks you out of his country! I was blown away they let it go on for so long! :o They should have been kicking his butt the day the weapons inspectors were kicked out of the country!

-S

You must decide why you wanted that war.

First it was the WMD that we now know did not exist.

Then it was the terrorists that never had more support in Iraq than today.

Now you're saying it was the ceasefire that he broke.

In 1990 a lot of people would have understood if you had gone all the way to Baghdad (including myself). But at the time it was considered insane to go on when the war had been won with so little cost. Because a somewhat intelligent person could have known that it would mean thousands of dead Americans, hundred thousands Iraqi's, decades of turmoil and hatred - and finally more terrorism - exactly what we now have in front of us.

Not only is this a flase statement, it is misleading. There is plenty of evidence to suggest they did exist, and even moved by both the Syrians and Russians! However, simply saying they were not found is not justification to say they weren't there.

Quite frankly, you aren't up to snuff on latest facts. I don't think there has been a time in Iraq where they had less support! :D

THis has never changed. I've said it even in this forum since day 1! Don't they give you news over their in Germany? You seem to be lacking a lot of it.

Not an accurate picture of what has happened.

For the casualty idea, to enter a foreign country with force always will result in casualities. A tradgedy, but one that can't be avoided. THis time around however, we don't have 50K to 1 million dead.

Anyway, sooner or later, Saddam would have had the ability to threaten neighbors and even the US with some form of mass destruction weapon. THis is not a threat any longer. Well worth the effort on the part of the US and its allies.

-S

Look out Iran - the Wolf is back
 

My favorite Likud man is back in the saddle! Does Zionism rock or what? Go NWO - onward Globalists! Yeeeha!

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/200...as-advisor/?hp

"What's wrong with Wolfee, why is he barking?!" "Wolfee's fine, tell me where you're calling from."

"Your Step Mom is DEAD..."

The world is no more turbulent today than it ever was Skybird. We are just more aware of it thanks to the wonders of modern communications technology. I don't need to remind you of the propensity for multiple power bases to clash with each other in hugely destructive wars.

That is not true. The balance of the two superpowers kept a lot of that multinational gobbling in check. after that was gone, the number of local conflicts went up, and steeply. Local nationalism went up as well. The Balkans went into hot mode. The southern republics of the USSR. Former allies of the US or the USSR in africa set sail for claiming more powers: more tribe and civil wars. Islam'S multiple local drives against Christian ethnic groups, sometimes going on since years now. Funding for factions that once were partners of the rivalling superpowers also went up, causing wanted additional internal tensions to create weak spots were western, russian and chinese interests could lock on. Local powers like India, China and Brazil also were suddenly free to dramatically improve their power basis. Stupid pöoltical acts and global strtaegies additionally helped to fuel extremism and terrorism, and making new enemies - today we have more terror-willing people and orgnaizations and terroirst in the world, than years ago. Proliferation has become far more threatening a chance, and less controllable. the number of local wars and conflicts went up, so did the number of terrorist acts and conflicts. nationalism is on the rise on all continents, as is religious fundamentalism.

Head on for the past - that's how it looks for me.

The shortening of fruitful land and spreading of desertification, the shortening of sweet water, energy and food will do their share to detoriate things even more. Not in the far away future - it already is happening right now. One just need to look close enough.

Now people can accuse me of being pessimistic again, if they wish. But that is the status quo: unmasked, and not nice-talked. Pessimism has nothing to do with it.

Well here is a list of conflicts and wars around the world by year since 1800. It shows no appreciable increase in the number from 1989 compared to before that. They are, as i have said, just more widely known nowadays.

http://www.onwar.com/aced/chrono/index.htm