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maddysad 12-03-07 06:33 PM

First things First :D

I have 2.4
I have 6200Turbo
I have just taken my rig from 1GB up to 3GB :cool:

The effect is amazing/confusing at same time (depends on game)

I play IL 2 which is now running on "Perfect" :cool: :cool: :cool:
I play SH3 GWX which is now running extremely well with a little tearing here and there, but overall the performance with Mods like Racerboys SH4 for SH3 running are excellent.

I believe I have a gaphics driver problem.Its set on latest driver 163.?? and according to past posts in here 94.?? to 97.?? are SH3's peak

Hope this helps

maddysad

sasquatch 12-03-07 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddysad
First things First :D

I have 2.4
I have 6200Turbo
I have just taken my rig from 1GB up to 3GB :cool:

The effect is amazing/confusing at same time (depends on game)

I play IL 2 which is now running on "Perfect" :cool: :cool: :cool:
I play SH3 GWX which is now running extremely well with a little tearing here and there, but overall the performance with Mods like Racerboys SH4 for SH3 running are excellent.

I believe I have a gaphics driver problem.Its set on latest driver 163.?? and according to past posts in here 94.?? to 97.?? are SH3's peak

Hope this helps

maddysad

I've seen a number of people mention IL 2. Is it any good?

Nerazzurri 12-03-07 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by i_b_spectre
For what it's worth, I have occasional "slide shows" while playing SH3. I'm running an AMD XP2800, 1.5GB of DDR, and an ATI 9800 Pro AIW card, so I'm falling steadily off the capability end of the scale. Still, most of time, SH3 is quite playable with reasonably smooth frame rates. For awhile I was getting an occasional crash-computer-reboot thing, so I tried the usual memtest diagnostic and the only thing that turned up was an acknowledged anomoly related to AMD processors (according to the memtest forum). I was at a loss as to anything to be done until my daughter mentioned an idea. When frame rates get choppy, I hit the Windows key (same effect as Alt-Tab) to drop SH3 to the task bar. I let it set maybe 5-10 seconds, then click on the SH3/GWX to re-expand it, and it seems to settle out and run smoothly. Since I've been doing this, I haven't had a single crash-to-forced-reboot event. I'd thought about buying a more powerful video card like the XP1950 Pro, but I think I'd be better off waiting until I can do a full system upgrade rather than trying a band aid approach that will leave me bottlenecked by the CPU. Oh, in case you haven't tried it yet, run dxdiag and set the Sound Acceleration slider down to either the lowest (unaccelerated) or the one just above it (Basic acceleration). It's surprising that sound settings can have such a profound effect on video performance, but it's true.

It think that did make a slight difference - I say 'think' because if it did it was negligible. Worth a try though.

Jonathan 12-04-07 12:16 AM

You and I have similar GPU, but I have mine on a PCI-X16 interface, which increases the badnwith. Your processor is more than fine.

Nerazzurri 12-12-07 10:47 AM

I'm very dissappointed today. Got my 2GB upgrade fitted and there's no improvement at all on the frame rate. I know it's an entry level graphic card but it's the best available with a PCI fit and surely to god it should be doing better.

Leaving harbour, on the bridge looking aft it's achieving 12 fps!?!?! (light harbour traffic enabled) The rest of the rates around 20-30 except explosions/fires in the periscope view which is very laggy, the same as leaving harbour.

I've experimented with the v-sync and turned particles down to 40%. As well as that I've individually selected the 3D settings in the NVidia control panel to performance levels, as opposed to just setting performance priority or accepting the default NVidia settings for SH3 (I had tried those previously anyway). I've also tried things mentioned above like adjusting the sound accelerater, checking for locked pipes, giving the game priority in the task manager. I even checked the PC was showing all the memory installed properly in case it wasn't fitted correctly.

Where do I go from here? I'm tearing my hair out! I'd hoped to get a big enough improvement to try GWX 2.0 but I just don't see any point now :cry:

Looking for help please people :ping:

P.S. someone mentioned older drivers being at the 'peak' for running SH3 - could anybody shed more light on that and point me in the right direction finding them? Had a little look but no joy.

sasquatch 12-12-07 11:01 AM

Your pc isn't in the middle of an update right now is it? It takes place in the background but slows everything way down. Also, if anything "pops-up" on the desktop "behind" the game it can really screw things up. Try using the task manager to see what USER processes are taking up the most system memory. Have you defragged recently? Done scans for adware/spyware?

Hope something here helps

Nerazzurri 12-12-07 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sasquatch
Your pc isn't in the middle of an update right now is it? It takes place in the background but slows everything way down. Also, if anything "pops-up" on the desktop "behind" the game it can really screw things up. Try using the task manager to see what USER processes are taking up the most system memory. Have you defragged recently? Done scans for adware/spyware?

Hope something here helps

No, nothing of note running mate. The system idle is between 94 and 99%.

Yeah, I do scans, as well as having real time protection (including pop-up protection), every 7-14 days.

I've spent £69 (about $140) on memory, with no improvement - I'm gutted LOL ( I have to laugh, really) :damn:

Cohaagen 12-12-07 01:21 PM

Nez-

I wish I'd seen this thread earlier - the RAM was never going to help.

I'm guessing you have a Dell Dimension, aye? Your setup is near identical to mine: 2.8g P4, 1.5g RAM, PCI 6200, etc. I paid nothing for it, so I can hardly complain if it's a dog when it comes to high-end gaming.

Some tips that have made a real difference to me:
  • You can overclock the card's RAM to about 650mhz. Any higher will produce on-screen artifacts and flaws. The core generally won't stand for any OCing and likes to lock up if you try to do so. Depending on your drivers you may get it up to 320mhz.
  • Download PowerStrip and reduce your card's PCI latency from 248 to 32. It'll get rid of any stuttering.
  • Download DXtweaker and enable the "Force Shader PP" module. There's a good chance this'll make a big difference to yr. framerates and it won't affect the quality of the visuals. I got about a 10fps jump with this tweak.
I originally used these to turn Half Life 2: Episode One from a slideshow into a thoroughly playable experience. It helped a great deal, and I'd definately recommend that you try them before spending any more money :up:

EDIT: If the worst comes to the worst, there's PCI versions of the X1550 and Nvidia 8xxx series (!) being released...big boom for PCI cards on account of Vista. They're import-only, try Ebay.

Blacklight 12-12-07 04:12 PM

My computer has the same specs as yours except I run with 1 gig of ram. With Lite Harbor Traffic on, mine doesn't struggle that much when near a port.

The only noticable thing that isn't too bad is I get a little bit of a stutter in external camera or when I'm up on the conning tower view. The waves and vessel movements will go for like 5 secconds, then stop for half a seccond, then go for another 5 secconds, stop for half a seccond. I've been trying to combat this with little success but it's not a game killer. Only if I really pay attention to it does it drive me mad.

Nerazzurri 12-12-07 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cohaagen
Nez-

I wish I'd seen this thread earlier - the RAM was never going to help.

I'm guessing you have a Dell Dimension, aye? Your setup is near identical to mine: 2.8g P4, 1.5g RAM, PCI 6200, etc. I paid nothing for it, so I can hardly complain if it's a dog when it comes to high-end gaming.

Some tips that have made a real difference to me:
  • You can overclock the card's RAM to about 650mhz. Any higher will produce on-screen artifacts and flaws. The core generally won't stand for any OCing and likes to lock up if you try to do so. Depending on your drivers you may get it up to 320mhz.
  • Download PowerStrip and reduce your card's PCI latency from 248 to 32. It'll get rid of any stuttering.
  • Download DXtweaker and enable the "Force Shader PP" module. There's a good chance this'll make a big difference to yr. framerates and it won't affect the quality of the visuals. I got about a 10fps jump with this tweak.
I originally used these to turn Half Life 2: Episode One from a slideshow into a thoroughly playable experience. It helped a great deal, and I'd definately recommend that you try them before spending any more money :up:

EDIT: If the worst comes to the worst, there's PCI versions of the X1550 and Nvidia 8xxx series (!) being released...big boom for PCI cards on account of Vista. They're import-only, try Ebay.

Dell Dimension 3000 yes, just over two years old - that was a good guess; or do you have me under surveillance :|\\

I'm going to give those suggestions a try tonight, they sound interesting. I did try clocking it a couple of weeks ago but with no success; I really can't remember what I tried though so I'll give it another go with the amounts you suggest.

I really can't see me getting another GPU as I only got this one a few months ago; if I get a little improvement out of this I'll sit out until I can get a new system. Thanks for the info on them all the same.

Here's hoping it makes a difference - I might even be able to go back to 1GB and cut my losses on Ebay with the RAM I just got!! Aye, RIGHT! :rotfl:

Nerazzurri 12-12-07 08:39 PM

I've tried just the DXtweaker - with no joy whatsoever :cry:

Powerstrip isn't letting me change the PCI latency at all???

Dutchie-one 12-12-07 09:16 PM

Hello Mate, is the second 1 Gig ram the same as the one who was in your computer ?
Look here Configuration Hardware Ram
If yes do not take it out Wp use a lot of programs by start up loaded in your internal memory.
I wonder why you have no result by puting the 1 Gig ?
I look in the book and when I find something you hear from me.

Dutchie-one :up:

Nerazzurri 12-12-07 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutchie-one
Hello Mate, is the second 1 Gig ram the same as the one who was in your computer ?
Look here Configuration Hardware Ram
If yes do not take it out Wp use a lot of programs by start up loaded in your internal memory.
I wonder why you have no result by puting the 1 Gig ?
I look in the book and when I find something you hear from me.

Dutchie-one :up:

I put in 2 new RAM pieces, 1GB each, and they seem to be ok - computer is recognising them and everything is running OK.

I've just trawled through UBIs help pages and tried lowering to 16bit colour and lowering the DirectX acceleration, both making no difference at all :damn:

Cohaagen 12-13-07 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerazzurri
I've tried just the DXtweaker - with no joy whatsoever :cry:

Powerstrip isn't letting me change the PCI latency at all???

Go to:

>>Options...

>>Adapter Information...

>>Uncheck "Read Only" and change latency to "32"

I'm surprised DXtweaker hasn't helped - if you use Ctrl-F8 it'll show if there's been any improvement.

These threads might help. Just make sure you only launch the game through DXtweaker with "Force Shader PP" enabled.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=60591
http://forums.tweakguides.com/showthread.php?p=28023


Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerazzurri
Dell Dimension 3000 yes, just over two years old - that was a good guess; or do you have me under surveillance :|\\

Pizza van over the street, mate :lol:

Schwuppes 12-13-07 12:46 AM

Damn it Cohaagen, give them the air!


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