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Most turks admit that it did happen. It's just politicians trying to score brownie points. I believe when the term genocide was created, the Armenians were giving as an example.
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Turkey May Invade Northern Iraq
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...FCQ&refer=home Now oil has risen to it's highest ever to $84 a barrel ... Just because they think this may result in war for Northern Iraq's Kurd area ... Doesn't look good for our side to be coming home any time soon if war breaks out up north does it? |
Turkey Recalls US Ambassador
Ah yes, his name was Johnson, hmm?
Big burly fellow, liked hunting. |
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Just once, JUST ONCE for cryin' out loud...:damn: Can't the US government keep it's meddling and opinions to itself? :damn::damn::damn: Stupid, stupid, stupid! Why in the world should we even be involved in this? This is not an American affair. :damn: All this does is further the image that American's are meddling bullies who just have to stick our noses in someone's else business... :down: We have enough problems of our own without alienating yet another ally... :down: <RANT MODE OFF> |
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A nice ally who:
- just elected a muslim fundamentalist as president, to compliment a muslim fundamentalist prime minister. The fact that Erdogan and Gül are not rabble-rousers like Ahmadinejad does not mean they're any more tolerant of non muslims than he is. - who's "western" component is largely based on the model of Mussolini's Italy - whose majority of population regards the US as hostile and likes to reads books in which heroic turkish secret agents nuke Washington D.C. with a suitcase bomb. Not to mention "Valley of the Wolves" - where Christians are actively persecuted, antique sites of non muslim origin are deliberately demolished or neglected - Actively tried and still tries to pursue the goal of a "greater Turkey" in Asia, as well as reestablishing ottoman holds on the Balkans. Western Europe and the US may have forgotten what the Ottoman empire was, but Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Rumanians haven't. Not to mention the Kurds, who are basically the world's largest people without a nation. Actually a kurdish state in northern Iraq (and southern Turkey) would be a far better ally than Turkey. Of course there is a pro western Turkey, people who in way of life are more similar to Italy or Greece or Israel than to the islamic world. Those people are pro western (meaning they hate the US only about as much as the average western european :D), but they are raplidly outbred by the islamic part of turkey. Until recently, this small minority dominated politics, the military and the economy. By enforcing democratization and privatization of the economy (Turkey was pretty much a state run economy until recently), the west took away their hold on power. The "Apes" (as one westernized Turk I know calls them) are simply more than the "normal people", so they win elections. Ironically, a democratic turkey can't be a friend of the US, that is a simply question of math. If you've got 80% of people who are islamists, want the Ottoman empire back (which basically means subjugating the whole balkans and much of Asia) and hate the US and you have a democracy, you have really a great ally. The only way Turkey stays pro US is with a military coup, Congress or not. |
Yes, but for now they are letting us use their space and facilities. That is what this is all about. We are using them plain and simple but they are getting paid for it in various ways. If Turkey pulls away or should I say if we push them away the logistcs for our forces in Iraq are going to be a lot harder. Not impossible, but harder. I'm all for getting them out of Iraq but not provide undue hardship on them.
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Turkey has been planning this aggression against the Kurds and what they call the PKK, some kind of rebel group, for a long time now.
It wasn't just the US Congress vote about murdering over one million people in 1915 that caused this huge border problem between Turkey and Iraq. True the timing is suspected politics by the democratic wing of the US Congress, but the Armenians have been trying to pass this resoulution for years. Take a look at the headlines for just the last few days for an eye opener on tanks, planes, helicopters and men ready to attack. One article gives us a clue that Turkey wants a buffer zone. This could be their aim to attack and pull back to cause a buffer zone to stop the rebels from setting up a country within their country. When you look at it like that it's hard not to be on Turkey's side. Turkey Ponders Iraq Campaign The Associated Press - Oct 12, 2007 ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Friday that Turkey would not be deterred by the possible consequences of invading Iraq if it ... Turkey ready to face world criticism over Iraq Reuters Canada, Canada - Oct 12, 2007 ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday Ankara was prepared to face up to international criticism if it launched an attack ... Petraeus Concerned Over Turkish Tension The Associated Press - Oct 11, 2007 BAGHDAD (AP) — The top US commander in Iraq warned Thursday that Turkey's threatened incursion into Kurdish regions in the north of the country could harm ... Turkey moves closer to a military campaign in Iraq, but still ... International Herald Tribune, France - Oct 11, 2007 AP ISTANBUL, Turkey: Turkey's parliament could approve a cross-border offensive against Kurdish rebels in Iraq as soon as next week, but that doesn't mean a ... Turkish govt to seek go-ahead for Iraq incursion next week Africasia, UK - Oct 11, 2007 The Turkish government will formally ask parliament next week to approve an incursion into northern Iraq to crack down on Kurdish rebels taking refuge there ... Turkey condemns US over Armenian genocide resolution Guardian Unlimited, UK - Oct 11, 2007 Turkey today condemned a US congressional committee for approving a resolution that recognises the 1915 massacres of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as genocide. ... Turkish tanks ready to roll into Iraq in Times Online, UK - Oct 10, 2007 Turkey was preparing to send troops and tanks into northern Iraq yesterday as the Government came under intense pressure to avenge the deaths of Turkish ... Turkey readying military operation against Iraqi Kurds USA Today - Oct 10, 2007 ISTANBUL (AP) — A motion calling for a Turkish military incursion against Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq will soon be presented to Parliament, ... Anti-PKK Campaign Arab News, Saudi Arabia - Oct 10, 2007 TURKEY is rightly furious at Sunday’s killing of 12 soldiers, the highest military death toll in a dozen years. According to reports, Turkish troops ... Turkey Escalates Offensive Near Border The Associated Press - Oct 10, 2007 SIRNAK, Turkey (AP) — Turkish warplanes and helicopter gunships attacked suspected positions of Kurdish rebels near Iraq on Wednesday, a possible prelude to ... W.House cautions Turkey against Iraq incursion Reuters - Oct 10, 2007 WASHINGTON, Oct 10 (Reuters) - The White House on Wednesday cautioned Turkey against making a military incursion into northern Iraq after Kurdish rebels ... Turkey confirms army operation plans for Iraq Swissinfo, Switzerland - Oct 10, 2007 By Hidir Goktas ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan confirmed on Wednesday his government was drawing up plans to authorise a military ... US sends top envoys as Turkey gears up plans for Iraq incursion DigitalJournal.com, Canada - 1 hour ago The United States dispatched two top officials to Ankara on Saturday amid a breakdown in relations between the two NATO allies and growing concern that ... Turkey resolute to crush PKK PRESS TV, Iran - 20 hours ago Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned he will not wait for US permission to order Turkish armed forces to fight Kurdish rebels. ... Tension arises between Turkey, US Contra Costa Times, CA - Oct 12, 2007 By Molly Moore ISTANBUL, Turkey -- The Turkish government warned Thursday that a congressional committee vote labeling the mass killings of Armenians during ... Trouble's brewing in Turkey Ottawa Citizen, Canada - Oct 12, 2007 Turkey's threat to invade northern Iraq to crush Kurdish guerrillas has serious implications not just for Iraq's stability but also for Turkey's relations ... Turkey Prepares for Incursions into Iraq Independent Media Review Analysis (IMRA), Israel - Oct 11, 2007 rebels. The US is warning against such a move and Iraq has said it would Thursday. It would then be voted upon as early as next week and would give the ... The United States wants Turkey to stay out of Iraq OverTheLimit.info, Canada - Oct 11, 2007 The United States has come out and stated that they oppose Turkey’s attempt to become involved in Iraq by launching a unilateral incursion into Iraq to go ... Government to seek authorization from parliament for a cross ... Journal of Turkish Weekly, Turkey - Oct 11, 2007 The government will send a motion to Parliament next week requesting authorization for a cross-border operation into northern Iraq to deal with a terrorist ... Turkey steps up measures to fight against PKK China Internet Information Center|, China - Oct 10, 2007 In the face of mounting terrorist activities of the outlawed Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) and growing tension with the US and Iraq, Turkish government and ... Turkish PM Erdogan confirms Iraq plan People's Daily Online, China - Oct 10, 2007 Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan confirmed yesterday his government was drawing up plans to authorize a military incursion into northern Iraq to crush ... Turkish military pounds Kurdish rebel camps Gulf News, United Arab Emirates - Oct 10, 2007 AP Sirnak, Turkey: Turkish troops pounded suspected Kurdish rebel camps in northern Iraq with artillery fire, a newspaper reported yesterday, ... Turkish warplanes attack Kurd rebel posts in Iraq Kuwait Times, Kuwait - Oct 10, 2007 SIRNAK, Turkey: Turkish warplanes and helicopter gunships attacked the suspected positions of Kurdish rebels near Iraq yesterday and police detained 20 ... Turkey: Looking to Formalize a Buffer Zone? Stratfor (subscription) - Oct 10, 2007 Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said before heading into parliament Oct. 10 that his government is busily preparing for a military incursion ... EU stresses need for Iraq’s unity, as Turkey threatens incursion Khaleej Times, United Arab Emirates - Oct 10, 2007 BRUSSELS - The European Commission Wednesday underscored the need to maintain Iraq’s sovereignty and integrity following Turkish threats of a border ... |
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Strange bedfellows indeed.
The Kurds in northern Iraq are pretty much the only group in Iraq not trying to murder americans on a daily basis. They want independence, granted, but killing americans or waging jihad is not on their political agenda. Now the US is supposed to help Turkey invade the only "safe haven" the US has in Iraq, thereby destroying (among other things) the only safe oil production facilities in the country, the only R&R area in theater and other things. We're not talking commando raids here (these happen all the time), but a large scale military invasion with all the boy's toys like tanks and such. Given the US presence there it wouldnt suprise me if some americans would actually get killed in this operation, as the turkish military isnt exactly renowned for neither surgical precision or subtleness of approach. And what will US forces do if faced with the attrocities which are bound to happen, given the racial hatred and the conscript nature of the turkish army. Will US forces stand by and watch when Turks cause a massacre? If Saddam massacres Kurds = bad, if Turkey does = good? Score another big PR point for Bush if that happens. Ok, the other option, engaging a NATO ally in combat isnt really a great one either. |
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The genocide is rubbed in their face, an ******* leaves the country and everybody can tell Pelosi is being an opportunist.
I can't see anything wrong in any of this. |
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