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Letum 09-11-07 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by antikristuseke
Some parts of thaose texts are scarily similar to the "reasoning" behing the holocaust.

Please explain.

This might be a difficult one to explain. What i ment was that especialy the second text reminds me of how jews were described in nazi germany. As in setling in, forming communities and then trying to gain absolute power. Or something like that, really hard to put what i mean into text right now.

Well, this can easily be tested by switching words round......words changed are in italics
*edit* I missed a few italics by accident, but they are fairly obvious anyway.


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"Posted on 08/17/1938 1:46:56 PM PDT by

I came across an article the other day which, in the light of the Polish massacres and other acts of Jewish terrorism in Western Europe, gave me cause to reflect afresh on the growing population of Jews here in Germany.
I offer no opinion on what follows; I record it merely for those who have an interest in such matters, and because there seems to be a dearth of this sort of analytical writing down this end of the world.
The article, headed "The Semitism of Europe", was written by Dr *insert appropriate name*, who is director of the Institute for the Study of Judaism and Christianity, the research arm of the Christian aid agency Barnabas Fund based in Berlin.
According to Dr insert appropriate name*, Europe is undergoing a rapid process of change as Jews make their presence felt in politics, economics, law, education and the media.
Europe, he says, is being transformed into a society in which Judaism takes its place not just as an equal with the many other faith communities but often as the dominant player.
It is, says Dr *insert*, not happening by chance but is the result of a careful and deliberate strategy by certain Jewish leaders which was planned in 1914 when the Jewish Council of Europe published a book called Jewish Communities in Non-Jewish States, which clearly explained the Jews agenda in Europe.
The instructions given in the book told Jews to get together and organise themselves into viable Jewish communities based on Jewish principles. This was the duty of every individual Jew living in a non-Jewish country.
They should set up synagogues, community centres and Jewish schools. At all costs they must avoid being assimilated by the majority, and to resist assimilation must group themselves geographically, forming areas of high Jewish concentration within the population as a whole.
Yet they must also interact with non-Jews so as to share the message of Judaism with them.
The ultimate goal was for Jews to become the majority and the entire nation be governed according to Judaism.
Dr ** admits that not all Jews support that action plan and many are happy to become integrated within the majority society."
Now that appears to me to have the same general feeling as the tripe that was pushed around by Hitler, Ford, et all. in the 1930s.

It's a variation on a theme.
The theme is fear of a outside, alien influence that is clandestinely infecting the home society and destroying it from within.

Back in the 1930s Germany people thought the alien influence that threatened society was Judaism.
Now in the 21st century West people think the alien influence that threatens. society is Islam.

History repeats it's self and you can find this pattern again and again on every scale. It is nothing new.

Again and again history shows us where this pattern can lead if it continues.

The Avon Lady 09-12-07 12:24 AM

Of course don't let the fact that one theme is pulp fiction while the other is now day-to-day reality get in your way.

Such fictitious logic (again from the moral equivalency crowd) only justifies me saying again: Good luck, Europe!

Letum 09-12-07 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Of course don't let the fact that one theme is pupl fiction while the other is now day-to-day reality get in your way.

You have fact, fiction and reality all mixed up in one sentance.

No doubt you think the same of me.
If only it was the same as me! ;)

antikristuseke 09-12-07 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum
Now that appears to me to have the same general feeling as the tripe that was pushed around by Hitler, Ford, et all. in the 1930s.

It's a variation on a theme.
The theme is fear of a outside, alien influence that is clandestinely infecting the home society and destroying it from within.

Back in the 1930s Germany people thought the alien influence that threatened society was Judaism.
Now in the 21st century West people think the alien influence that threatens. society is Islam.

History repeats it's self and you can find this pattern again and again on every scale. It is nothing new.

Again and again history shows us where this pattern can lead if it continues.

Thats exactly what i was going at, just couldnt find the words at the time, thanks.

The Avon Lady 09-12-07 01:13 AM

Well, you try typing with so much challah dough stuck to your fingers that you have webbed hands. :doh:

The Avon Lady 09-12-07 01:41 AM

Bye Bye, Belgium

Heads up, America (1)

Heads up, America (2)

San Francisco is lost already :|\\

Letum 09-12-07 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Always with the links Avon!

Telling us your point of view would be much more interesting!

Unless of course you point of view just consists links to other peoples points of view. :shifty:

The Avon Lady 09-12-07 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Always with the links Avon!

Telling us your point of view would be much more interesting!

Unless of course you point of view just consists links to other peoples points of view. :shifty:

Belgium: free speech is brutally stifled due to fear.

US 1: Muslims' intent by those who practice according to Islamic law, is printed out in black and white.

US 2: More of the same. The picture essay's photos of many of the placards displayed by Muslims fits perfectly in place with what they preach, as is often reported by the mass media, even if printed in section B, page 22.

San Francisco: in all honesty, I don't know if words exist in the English language to describe the depicted empty headed anarchy. Oh! There they are! :p

Finally, I like links, though I confess they are an imperfect addiction. :yep:

Letum 09-12-07 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by Letum
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Always with the links Avon!

Telling us your point of view would be much more interesting!

Unless of course you point of view just consists links to other peoples points of view. :shifty:

Belgium: free speech is brutally stifled due to fear.

US 1: Muslims' intent by those who practice according to Islamic law, is printed out in black and white.

US 2: More of the same. The picture essay's photos of many of the placards displayed by Muslims fits perfectly in place with what they preach, as is often reported by the mass media, even if printed in section B, page 22.

San Francisco: in all honesty, I don't know if words exist in the English language to describe the depicted empty headed anarchy. Oh! There they are! :p

Finally, I like links, though I confess they are an imperfect addiction. :yep:

Ok.....so you looked at the articles and drew those conclusions about them.

Althow it doesn't look like a lot happend between looking and concludeing. You seam to have taken them very much at face value. :dead:

The best way to find the truth is usualy to draw questions from your sources, not conclusions.

The Avon Lady 09-12-07 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by Letum
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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Always with the links Avon!

Telling us your point of view would be much more interesting!

Unless of course you point of view just consists links to other peoples points of view. :shifty:

Belgium: free speech is brutally stifled due to fear.

US 1: Muslims' intent by those who practice according to Islamic law, is printed out in black and white.

US 2: More of the same. The picture essay's photos of many of the placards displayed by Muslims fits perfectly in place with what they preach, as is often reported by the mass media, even if printed in section B, page 22.

San Francisco: in all honesty, I don't know if words exist in the English language to describe the depicted empty headed anarchy. Oh! There they are! :p

Finally, I like links, though I confess they are an imperfect addiction. :yep:

Ok.....so you looked at the articles and drew those conclusions about them.

Althow it doesn't look like a lot happend between looking and concludeing. You seam to have taken them very much at face value. :dead:

The best way to find the truth is usualy to draw questions from your sources, not conclusions.

Thanks for your great incite.

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-12-07 02:47 AM

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or hastened by means of political dominance or even by violence
do i noice belgium ? :hmm:

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Belgium: free speech is brutally stifled due to fear.
SOOOOOOOOO true

Tchocky 09-12-07 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Thanks for your great incite.

Nice pun.

Skybird 09-12-07 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by August
You are a European, yet you talk like Europeans are foreigners to you. Maybe this eagerness to distance yourself from your own people is what lies at the heart of European troubles.

I'm just sayin...

My own people, as you say it, is a bitter dissapointment for me. So, yes, I distance myself from them more and more. And they see me as a trouble maker and cause of disturbance in return. Much of my thoughts, though no all, is basing on the fundament of european culture which is not imaginable without the fundament of Greek philosophers. And I am aware of the path that had led europe to both the crisis and climaxes it has seen, and link my idnetity to these develoepments. That is something many do not do, and actively reject, and are ignorrant of. I call it identity, and their lack of having identity, as is best illustrated in the body of the EU.

I live as a stranger in a strange land, it often seems to me. and before you ask if if I have actively done soemthing to chnage things: yes, I did, and not rarely, and unpayed, and often. And always with serious doubts afterwards that the minor chnages, if any, that I achieved were worth it.

Not to see me as distant from the majority of people here - is close to an insult for me. And if my stand and distance appears as arrogant to some - I do not care a bit.

edit: just one illustration:
http://www.welt.de/berlin/article117...roeffnung.html

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr 09-12-07 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by August
You are a European, yet you talk like Europeans are foreigners to you. Maybe this eagerness to distance yourself from your own people is what lies at the heart of European troubles.

I'm just sayin...

My own people, as you say it, is a bitter dissapointment for me. So, yes, I distance myself from them more and more. And they see me as a trouble maker and cause of disturbance in return. Much of my thoughts, though no all, is basing on the fundament of european culture which is not imaginable without the fundament of Greek philosophers. And I am aware of the path that had led europe to both the crisis and climaxes it has seen, and link my idnetity to these develoepments. That is something many do not do, and actively reject, and are ignorrant of.

I live as a stranger in a strange land, it often seems to me.

i live isolated of a moronic country flushed by albanians, muslims, turkish's, frenchie's, americans, asian (wich i dont mind and actualy want more :p)
in short words. Belgium isnt belgian anymore :shifty:, so i stay indoors and only go out to go shoping or visit family.
i dont work couse i hate meeting ppl in RL.
meeting ppl on the net is ok. but in RL... NO WAY!

joea 09-12-07 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaleu. Jochen Mohr
i live isolated of a moronic country flushed by albanians, muslims, turkish's, frenchie's, americans, asian (wich i dont mind and actualy want more :p)
in short words. Belgium isnt belgian anymore :shifty:, so i stay indoors and only go out to go shoping or visit family.
i dont work couse i hate meeting ppl in RL.
meeting ppl on the net is ok. but in RL... NO WAY!

Explains a lot about you. :roll:


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