Wikipedia is a terrible source for this type of information by the way. Go to college for example and it is not able to be used as a valid source of information.

That's besides the point though. You have 3 factions in Iraq - The Shiite, the Sunni, and foreign born outsiders Al-Qeida. The only ones in the group that will be shouting Allah Akbar don't need be mentioned. The Sunni's and Shiites are mostly made up of ex military, but also people with a grudge.

Anyway the good news is that I've seen reports lately where the Sunni's and Shiites are fighting Al-Qeida instead of US troops! THis is because Al-Qeida is primarily responsible for the sectarian violence in the first place and the Sunni and Shiites are trying to kick them out of the country. That is the first step to ending this bloody war.

-S

Yeah, a classmate of mine tried to cite it, no dice.

However, if you can provide any backing to you 99% claim I'd love to see it. Everything I've seen says the *exact* opposite. I only used wiki because it's close to hand.

Can someone please put some sort of content warning in the OP? Thanks...

Oh my gosh you are funny! :D :rotfl:Does this fall along the lines of Irans claim that the holocaust didn't happen? :p :D


Ever heard of the word or words anti-sentimism?

Yes it does - very much so. It is a movement that is unlike any other that I have seen, espcially in the US. It is just more suttle and uses PC as a base to push agenda. I don't like Wikipedia, but this sums it up as a subject - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy - So we can get into more in-depth articles if you want, but that is completely off-topic and maybe best for another thread?

By the fact you have the Master Race as an email, brought up the subject as it not existing, I'd have to guess you are one too through deductive reasoning.

Strange that you put us on all of these subjects - Nice.

-S

Got it - I'll find the article /articles.

Here is where the Sunni's turned against Al Qaeda (25,000 of them) - http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...5-tribes_N.htm

Hmm - I didn't know they had a website for this:
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?op...380&Itemid=128

Wow! I didn't know Iraqis are standing up now!:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/0...eaders_070607/
And this should put to rest the number of foreign fighters - half of which as Saudi - http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/f...atimesA98.html

Scratch that - that doesn't tell us anything. Let me dig more.

I see this lists the majority in Al Qaieda in Iraq is Iraqi born, but that means up to 40%+ are not to me, but the word majority can be almost anything:
So the bombers are the foreigners.

-S

Hey, Avon Lady, cut that crap out. Sure, we've all noticed his weird slipups before, but now it's getting annoying, don't bring up his faults every turn you get. He has a valid point, you, and all the other right wingnuts (and SkyBird) have this weird ISLAM IS EVIL sentiment going on, and it's horrible. It's about as bad as having masterace1 as your email adress. I'm not even muslim and I'm offended with your, and everyone else's, stupid phobia against Islam.

That certainly seems to be the case, most foreigners going into Al-Qaeda in Iraq, and behind the worst bombings.

However, it still looks like barely 10% of the total number of insurgents in the country are foreign. It puts a different spin on "we've got to fight them ther or they'll come here". Who, the 90% Iraqis?

etc etc

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists...947246,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111602519.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...576666,00.html

All from late 2005. the latest i could find was From here

EDIT - found one from October 2006, still 1 in 10
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1003/p03s03-woiq.html

http://www.exlap.com/images/allah_ackbar.jpg

:hmm:

It's a trap!

(careful with these kind of posts....:))

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/excessive_quotation.png

Bah. I am not Islamophobic - I am stupidophobic. Inhumanophobic. Barbarophobic. Aggressophobic. Shariaphobic (as well as I am Inquisiphobic). If Islam would stay for itself and care noone else'e business, I would not care a second about it, like I also do not care if other people equip their appartement with the most terrible looking furniture I can imagine. But that is not what Islam is about. islam found me, in my home, in my country, in my culture. I did not ask for it, I did tell it to stay away, but it says it does not care. And now it tries to make me and others changing our ways of lives according to it's demands, turning our own laws and values against us in an effort to overcome 1.) our resistance, and then 2.) these laws and values themselves, giving us Islam instead. To hell with it.

You make the whole meaning of the word "phobic" meaningless. However, being called islamophobic today is more a compliment than an offense. This attribute seem to separate those who are aware of the attempt to kick our society back into the medieval, from those who beg for permission to keep their eyes closed and dream that it all does not happen for real. But it does.

You are offended, you say? Okay, be offended. You are free to feel offended, and you have the right to feel offended. But you have no right to demand that anyone must care for you feeling offended. So may you feel as little or as much offended as you prefer! Because that is not the criterion by which I decide either action or opinion.

Maybe you are realophobic?

Western modern culture is truly disgusting. I have no problem seeing what the muslims talk about.

Fat people driving humongos cars, earning and spending sick amounts of money. Sitting at home watching tv documentaries about how these arabs who do terror attacks because they "hate and envy their freedom". BS

Youve taken a **** on the wrong people this time, and they wont back down.

Islam, Nazism, Scientology - all the same sick spirit's offsprings. There is known collaboration between Muslims organisations, and Neonazi organisations in europe and germany, since both are after the destruction of Western constitutional order, and the destruction of humanistic history and liberal values. Hitler expressed to admire Muhammedanism for it's unscrupulousness and lacking hesitation to enforce it's will with force.

If somebody, indicating his extreme rightleaning basic attitude and antisemite racism in several postings and internet activities, expresses sympathy for Islam at the same time, and disgust for western cultural background, then I am not surprised and would say this is only consistent.

And revealing.

Interesting. Link?

Haha, I'll bet you'd ne the first to defend the attacks on Poland or the USSR (Stalin also made sure everyone had jobs) in a historical debate. Well bye bye to you soon I think.

P.S. I also was against the Iraq war, and in general this "War on Terror" I just am more coherent than you.