Yeah, by you, below.


Wrong. All torpero launches requires a solution. By definition.

You can't. Even a snapshot with no inputs inherently has a solution---course 000 relative, speed whatever fish is set to, range until fuel expires.

No. Torpedo course is a hybrid of own-ship's heading (for a bow tube) and gyro angle. Target bearing is not relevant except to arrive at gyro angle. Thus, you need a solution.

Baloney. Why do that? The TDC could do it in seconds, without tools.

Another reason SH4's fire control procedures are wrong.

And people amazingly call SH4 a "sim".

AOB doesn't matter . . . in SH4 maybe, where torpedoes run perfectly. Firing at the bow or ass-end of a stopped target at anything past point-blank and you're going to miss. Fire at a 90-degree AOB and you'll hit from medium range. In RL torpedos are affected by current, wind, waves, and mechanical friction in control surfaces.

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A tale, told by an idiot (early English word meaning lawyer:cool:) full of sound and fury from someone who will miss many targets unless he would only listen to Werner and myself. I cannot help one who will not hear.

Setting AOB by the hull's heading will miss the target because of windage and current. Setting heading (The US Navy put that word on the TDC and I think it will stay) by the direction the bow points will miss ships. Setting the TDC, however it be labeled (I suggest using German) by the direction of movement will properly target the ship and put it safely on the bottom. That, by the way, is where Admiral Lockwood has ordered us to store them pending cessation of hostilities.

I know what I am doing in a submarine, but the acknowledged expert in the field is WernerSobe. Disagreeing with him on these matters automatically destroyed any credibility you had at the beginning of the conversation.

We will grant your legal definition with a tolerant grimace. The purpose of this board is to help captains sink Japanese shipping. Your ideas are not relevent to that.

Werner, I have a simplification in technique you will be interested in. This is an undocumented fact I found while investigating WWI targeting techniques which also require PK to be turned off, speed set to zero and TDC settings irrelevent except for bearing. If you point the periscope and press the button to send range/bearing without using the stadimeter first, you DO send the bearing to the TDC. Since the range and AOB are irrelevent when speed is set to zero (any value input has no effect on torpedo behavior. Entering 90 for AOB as Snowman advocates is just a waste of time), the torpedo now has the one piece of info it needs to hit the target. This is not a solution, as a solution is a two-dimensional vector analysis of exact target location, heading (US Navy term, not legal term) and speed and torpedo course/speed to achieve impact at a solved point on a two dimensional plane.

Snowman, I'll grant that you are legally right, and Admiral Lockwood will promote you to be skipper of a garbage scow for non-performance. I am legally wrong, but I will hit my targets and teach other captains to do so successfully. Let the results speak for themselves.

After the war, I may need an attorney because of all those sampans I've sunk and elite destroyers' lifeboats I've machine gunned. May I have your card?

Well...AoB would matter a bit...you don't want a torpedo bouncing off a hull, even stationary, at too sharp an angle right? As Snowman said in his last line. :hmm:

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That makes a difference us in the planning stages because we like to sink the enemy but not to the TDC, which is properly set in this instance, whatever AOB is input.

If ordinance would just fix these danged magnetic pistols it wouldn't matter. My ship's clerk uses 'em for paperweights. Since they're top secret, he now has to do his paperwork while blindfolded.

1. I'm not a lawyer.
2. I have more time at test depth than either of you do playing a GAME.
3. Aren't you the "idiot" who thinks the USN has "NCOs", and who likes to hold forth (incorrectly) about COBs?

Gawd, you don't listen. No! AOB matters beacuse of aspect; it ALWAYS does. It's easier to hit the broad side of a barn than the doorway. If you shoot at a 180 AOB on a zero knot target you'll likely miss. If you drive the boat to form a 90 AOB on a zero knot target you'll likely hit. The TDC doesn't care it's a 90 AOB so long as the final bearing is correct, but it still is a 90 AOB, becuase you made it be by moving own-ship. If you just let fly at a stopped ship regardless of aspect you'll fail to hit most of the time unless you're at point-blank range.

Course matters. Heading does not. Since 99.9% of targets are moving ahead while at sea they're the same number. But as I've said, and you haven't been able to refute by misdirection BS, they are not the same thing.

Nah, I'll take the CDR in charge of the Group Six tactics trainer and/or the Vice Admiral, his boss, who liked to drop by and critique. I learned submarine FC from experts, not from a game.

Why don't you go make up some more fiction about WWII submarine crew dynamics and get back to us? I'm still laughing from your first pass.

Well, interesting as this is, I would suggest taking the temperature down a bit.

Thanks

JCC

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Aye-aye sir, Troll sighted and confirmed. No sense of humor either. Take her deep.

Quite insteresting thread.
 

Nice JCC, "Diplomacy will get you everywhere." :up: :sunny: :rock:(Blessings)