Thats the best sort of Moderator.

I'm with FA admiral on this one... how many times have you all looked at the torpedo launchers on DD's and wondered if they will fire? Launchers and mine layers would be a big improvement. As for some sort of atlantic spin, would be nice to have all the ships, subs and planes from europe added, give the modders from SH3 a reason to dump the old engine and move over to the new.I'm not holding my breath on an expansion though.

An expansion of what? This game is perfect with TM1.5 and NSM3.0. What's to expand upon? Damagemodel could use some tweaking, but that has written "patch" all over it, not "expansion disk".

+1 again.

On a separate comment, I would be afraind if the last patch would be an add-on. An add-on adds content, and that content would be brand new and most likely not bug free. We coudl end up with some sim in a state near to the first state of SH4.
I would buy an add-on at the condition that we could get further patches to fix important bugs.

The big difference is that I'm quite willing to pay for an expansion (which I'd define as optional additional content) provided it's a significant amount of new content and makes the game seem 'new' again; but I'm not willing and shouldn't be expected to pay for a patch (bugfixes and corrections to original content).

That said, providing free additional content is always going to create goodwill with the customer base, so it's generally a good idea and always welcome.

As far as 'fighting' the developer goes, first you'd have to show that the devs were being dishonest: the mere presence of bugs (even serious ones) shouldn't warrant the removal of their copyright, because the threat of this happening would hurt the industry. Bugs are inevitable in any piece of software no matter how much work is done pre-release. If a game's bad, or support for it is bad, then word will get around and people won't be so quick to buy the developer's next production.

Besides, I don't think Congress (or any other country's government, for that matter) should be expected to spend time worrying about whether computer games are unfortunately buggy or criminally buggy: I think there're far more important things they could be spending their time on.

Good post donut. :up: Peeps on this forum will buy anything UBI dishes out and stand in line all day for it. And you know it. :rotfl:

I'm sorry I do not hold my head down in a sour foul mood over a game that has certainly come a long way since the very first sale. If someone is enjoying the game and has nothing but nice things to say then they are are "Fanboy". So be it. Call me what you like, makes no difference and I will not loose sleep over it. Sadly, you have nothing to offer this thread other than a label for someone who sees the class as half full. Such a shame to move through life with a cloud over your head. Lets look at the facts, game released with many bugs, 1.1 and game improved, 1.2...the game is gotten better....1.3 wow, we are almost there......yet, you would believe a disc with final updates and added content is a bad thing? I do not see it that way. But you know, I simply voted and posted what I thought..for some reason you felt it was your duty to point out I'm a "fanboy". Much to my chagrine, not what I would consider a good thing.

Hrm lets see, How about historicaly accurate battles, better AI behaviour, more ports (with stuff in them), AI submarines, more missions, better damage control in general with more detailed and accurate reporting, better minefield usage. Im sure I could think of several more 'items' but I just dont have time.

About the seperate engine controls I have wanted this since SH2 but alas it is not to be.

If they did come out with an expansion I would most likely buy it. If it came with an addittional patch so much the better.

Patch No, Expansion Yes
 

I have spend alot more money on dumber things in my life. I agree with SteamWake and AVGWarhawk concerning the difference between a patch and expansion.

Having said that, anyone who has read some of my posts will agree that I can and do bitch about things that I do not think are right. I think it is one hellva an insult to be sold anything with the poor quality this sim started with. I have griped about a number of things in this sim that are not right. Were they fixed in the last patch, no. However, a number of things that made the sim unplayable (to me) were fixed. Have I still found a way to make this game enjoyable for me, yes. Thank whatever God you believe in for Modders and the "Fanboys". Only they saved this game.

In my sixty plus years I have been called a lot of things, but fanboy was not amoung them.:rotfl: I guess the bottom line is would we be paying for a big patch (there is a lot in this game that is not used) or a true expansion?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me."

Sometimes we have to be responsible for the consequences of our acts. Failure to support present software results in NO future software. Silent Hunter has bugs. So does every other piece of software in the world, but we use it and enjoy it in spite of the bugs. As you type your words of wisdom you are using a computer, whose BIOS has bugs, layered with an operating system with bugs, device drivers are all not perfect, layered with a bug-riddled web browser with bugged add-ons, buggy flash, java, perl, etc. Then the software that runs the Internet is.... you guessed it: full of bugs. Why your hardware itself has bugs. Do you refuse to use any of that? Do you rail against it and not buy another computer? NO! You brag that it's the best that's ever been and you're right.

This is also true of Silent Hunter 4. It is the best sub simulator in the world, warts and all. It's a blast to play and can teach you more about WWII subs than reading the best book on the subject. As such, it deserves our support and does not deserve being subject to an attack, which if successful would result in no more submarine simulators in the future. A good plan today is worth more than a perfect plan tomorrow. The same is true of software. Those who settle for nothing short of perfection condemn themselves to having nothing.

Legislation such as you propose would have the same effect. Who gets to call "bug?" I think pressing "zero" on the telephone for "operator" is a bug. "Operator" starts with the letter "o" not zero. Sounds like we need to take all copyright and patent rights from all telephone manufacturers and telephone companies. That will result in no telephones at all, but it's the principle of the thing that counts, not whether the results of our stupidity are hurtful. That type of legislation is called tyranny. Fortunately most of our legislators are still smarter than you. That is not guaranteed to remain true. Remember this: excellence is ALWAYS voluntary. It cannot be compelled. It cannot be legislated. It is the product of free will freely exercised. End of sermon.

As for myself, call me fanboy. The game you play is because fanboys like me made it possible. Yeah, I know you won't thank us. You're too busy being miserable while we're having fun. I feel sorry for you. You're missing out on what makes life great.

Wow! That was a beautiful sermon!

Is that the Battle Hymn of the Republic I hear in the background??!!?? :D

Good one RR.

LOL never heard this one before... pretty funny :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Battle Hymn
 

Naw, that's too American. I'm an American and susceptable to the Battle Hymn as anyone but the Truth is not just American. I was thinking of "The Truth Won't Fade Away" from Procol Harum's Prodigal Stranger album.

We were young, we were brave, we were true, we were strong
Far away the bombs and the buildings exploding
there was no way out
It was black, it was white, we had so much to say
Right or wrong... The truth won't fade away

We had our hopes, we had our dreams, we were young, we were old
We saw our future self-destructing: there were roles that we played
Some were good, some were bad: there was so much to say
Right or wrong... The truth won't fade away

Could be the theme song for Silent Hunter 4. This album (dating myself there) just explodes with exhuberant moral conviction. Makes U2, as excellent as they are, sound like the Old Ladies' Garden Club.

Hey, it was that or "Another One Bites the Dust.":rotfl:

Well, my opinion, for what it's worth anyway (I don't think anyone really listens to me, somehow:-?) is the game is more or less complete for my purposes and anything that is lacking can be found available as a mod, at least to a certain extent. I don't see myself buying another WW2 sub sim for many years, as SH3 and SH4 combined cover both important theaters.

I've simply been burned by far too many UBI products as of late that it is highly unlikely that I would purchase another of their games if/when their reputation recovers at least somewhat. For now I will be content playing SH4 from time to time as the mood so moves me to do so. ;)

I think Rockin Robbins said all that needed to be said in reply to grumpy.... Excalibur said something as well but I didn't read it (jk ;) considering your position in the mods section, I dare say you are one person i'm ALWAYS looking for posts from).

The game has not had a single CTD for me since 1.3... thats impressive enough to assume that anyone that gets a CTD is most likely having a conflict with something else on their system or has bad MOD application.

In its current state, SH4 is a good solid platform for an expansion. But like I said, i'm not holding my breath.