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SteamWake 08-03-07 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FooFighters
I am looking for a new graphic card.. and yes a high fps would be nice.
But the main reason I want one is that TM1.4 (incl. leo's oceon mod) dropped my fps and now I have light stuttering..

That's pretty annoying..

I was just going to try that one ... Ill get back to you.

AVGWarhawk 08-03-07 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cali03boss
Well my frame rate never gets THAT low. I meant the loss of time from a moderately low fps....like 20-25.

The main problem is the firing of torpedos you have configured for a certain speed. The clicking of 'fire torpedo' takes WAY too long in low frame rates to process the information completely and then successfully fire the torpedo.

...not to mention if during this period of rush time (since you have to work faster to calculate more times) you may forget to open the tube doors...and crapola.

What I'm trying to identify here, when your FPS slow or stutter, ALL action is also slowing and studdering. If the lose of 1 second on calculation occurs from a studder, the target is also experiencing the same lose. All action is happing to all things, slowing down or studdering, in the dynamic environment. FPS at a low rate is just not affecting your actions with torps, etc, it is also affecting the ships around you. Everything is affected so I do not see how a second or half second is lost on a calculation. If you are talking about the slow cursor, then yes, this is an issue as it seems to be independent of other things concerning movement. But, if your frames are 20+ the cursor is fluid in most cases if not all. Anything above 25 FPS is just a bonus and not decernable by the human brain.

THE_MASK 08-03-07 04:41 PM

I personally would run at 4xAA and 4xAF and have volumetric fog if i could get those FPS . I use 2xAA and 2xAF with volumetric fog and get 18fps with the fog enabled . The game looks crap but i cannot do without the fog .

Canonicus 08-03-07 04:45 PM

Your really need to stop worrying so much about " FPS"..
....and concentrate more on..."JAPS"

cali03boss 08-03-07 04:45 PM

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Anything above 25 FPS is just a bonus and not decernable by the human brain.
go get yourself a 22" widescreen monitor plugged up to an HD projection video card then tell me if it is 'not decernable by the human brain'.

buteobuteo 08-03-07 04:48 PM

I have just got a new system which I have set up next to my old one.
New system runs @ 60+ FPS with every thing maxed out + AF and AA.
Old system runs between 15 and 20 FPS, low settings no AF or AA.
Running both side by side, apart from the eye candy, there is no discernable difference in the time taken to set up a firing solution and firing the torps. Sure it's nice to have a 60+ frame rate,but I consider that 30 FPS of that is wasted and would be better employed doing something else.

cali03boss 08-03-07 07:06 PM

and you're running HD video on an LCD monitor?

I'd be shocked if you simply just had two of those.

SteamWake 08-03-07 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake
Quote:

Originally Posted by FooFighters
I am looking for a new graphic card.. and yes a high fps would be nice.
But the main reason I want one is that TM1.4 (incl. leo's oceon mod) dropped my fps and now I have light stuttering..

That's pretty annoying..

I was just going to try that one ... Ill get back to you.

I tried this mod and it brought my system to its knees. Bad frame rate hit and severe curser stutter...

Sigh... oh well.

AVGWarhawk 08-03-07 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cali03boss
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Anything above 25 FPS is just a bonus and not decernable by the human brain.
go get yourself a 22" widescreen monitor plugged up to an HD projection video card then tell me if it is 'not decernable by the human brain'.

You can state it how you like but 25 frames per second is all our gray matter requires to process fluid motion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate

Note that refresh rate also plays a factor in what the human eye sees concerning computer displays.

I do not understand why you are using a HD projection video card. Would you not say the run of the mill card like my X1300 handles the game rendering a bit different than a HD projection video card? I'm not sure. So perhaps the type of card you are using requires highter FPS to render a smooth game.

samniTe 08-03-07 09:32 PM

theres a big differance between 80fps and 30

xboxer 08-03-07 10:08 PM

Many ppl today are obsessed with FPS and eye candy like it gives them an ego boost or something.

For me, as long as it plays decently well on my system I am a happy man.

Gameplay should take priority over graphics for any game one plays.

FooFighters 08-04-07 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake
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Originally Posted by SteamWake
Quote:

Originally Posted by FooFighters
I am looking for a new graphic card.. and yes a high fps would be nice.
But the main reason I want one is that TM1.4 (incl. leo's oceon mod) dropped my fps and now I have light stuttering..

That's pretty annoying..

I was just going to try that one ... Ill get back to you.

I tried this mod and it brought my system to its knees. Bad frame rate hit and severe curser stutter...

Sigh... oh well.

Good to hear that I am not the only one with this problem..

@ xboxer.. I no gameplay is very important.
But for me graphics are just as important.
I love standing on the bridge looking over the pacific :sunny:
Feels like I'm on holiday :D (and then the japs show up, damn game )

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Delusory 08-04-07 05:25 AM

there is a diffrence in 30 and 100 fps, but I would say it is only noticible in online shooters (such as CS), where every milisecond counts. I get 19-30 fps outside the boat from my 4 year old computer (well exept the vga) and I'm happy with it..

AVGWarhawk 08-04-07 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by samniTe
theres a big differance between 80fps and 30


What might that difference be to the human brain that processes 25 FPS as smooth? 80 FPS is not discernible to the human brain. The human brain detects studdering as you get towards 15 FPS or lower. If I'm on the main menu screen my FPS is in excess of 150 FPS or more, I do not see a difference if the screen is at 25 FPS. In fact, if the FPS counter was off I would not notice a difference at all. With the advent of me using the FPS counter and seeing 20 FPS on the counter, I start thinking my computer performance stinks yet last night I turned it off as not to see it and my gaming experience was smooth as ice as usual. What I believe is going on here is having lower FPS provides an opportunity for slide show like play because one is already at the lower end of the FPS spectrum. Higher FPS that suddenly dips low(low meaning 25 FPS) is not detected to human brain. Now, if I'm sitting at 20 FPS and for some reason my FPS dips to 15 or lower, then the slide show begins. With that said, having the highest FPS you can get eliminates the possibility that the player will experience a slide show. Shut off the FPS counter so you can not see what it is calculating. If you computer is jumping between 25 FPS and 80 FPS I would highly suspect you would not notice.

AVGWarhawk 08-04-07 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Delusory
there is a diffrence in 30 and 100 fps, but I would say it is only noticible in online shooters (such as CS), where every milisecond counts. I get 19-30 fps outside the boat from my 4 year old computer (well exept the vga) and I'm happy with it..

This is true but in the respect that online gaming you are now dealing with packet and packet loss via your connection. I play IL2 online. One member has a super nice computer with all the gizzmos yet he is in a place that he can only get dial up. This is a bad bottleneck for him. Often we see him warping as packets are lost on his connection. No matter, he still shoots my butt down all the time anyway:oops: Online gaming requires a very good connection as well as good FPS. Specifically with first person shooters and flight simulation good FPS and connection go hand in hand.

At any rate, my 3 year old rig runs at 19 FPS or higher. My pea brain does not detect a slide show like picture. When she dips to 8 FPS on very high TC, then and only then do I detect a slide show. My only beef here is I'm on the lower end of the FPS spectrum and the possibility to get a slide show more often is present.


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