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TarJak 07-23-07 11:05 PM

there is no set plan as already described. There are however some principals that you need to be aware of:

1. In all submarine operations stealth is the key factor. If they can't find you they can't hit you. Therefore stay quiet and stay out of sight as much as possible. Surface attack only when the weather and conditions are favourable. (Not much point attacking on the surface in full moonlight on a calm sea).

2. Always work out how you plan to escape befoer you plan how to get in. Surviving the attack is what it is all about and if that means aborting and setting up again then so be it.


3. Always treat the escorts with respect and as much as possible stay away from them. Even early war they may be dangerous.

4. Get as close as you can to your target. One of my favourite tactics is to submerge to 25-30m approach from in front of the convoy at a 45 deg angle between the lead escort and the side escort then slide between two rows of the convoy.

5. If submerged, use your scope as little as possible. It makes a wake that can be spotted and give the escorts a datum to attack you.

6. When in position fire and the quickly but quietly start to make your escape. The firing point is the datum from which the escorts will start their hunt so the further away from that point you are the better. I tend to dive as deep as possible at 2kt and turn the sub no more than 10deg rudder so as not to lose speed. I then try to slip out the back at a 45 degree angle between the following and side escort depending on whether they are actively pursuing me by this time.

7. Never attempt to attack a heavily escorted convoy in shallow water!

Gute Jagd!

Schöneboom 07-23-07 11:08 PM

Perhaps this is too obvious to mention, but even if the weather is crappy, wait until it gets really dark to attack on the surface. It makes a world of difference in '39-40. Then again, if visibility is so bad due to fog that you can't see even one ship until it's almost on top of you, it might be better to call it off. There are always more ships out there. And the weather will improve -- usually when you're halfway home! ;)

Viel Gluck!

Canovaro 07-24-07 12:59 AM

I'm with TarJak all the way, it's pretty much how I do it.

Silent in, silent out! :arrgh!:

Happy Times 07-24-07 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by looney
Hey all...

I'm playing this game roughly 2.5 months now, and GWX prolly 1.5 month. I'm in my 1st serious career. It's now mid 1940, I haven't come acros that many convoy's yet the ones I did come across where from contact reports and I was able to approach them from the front. Mostly guarded by 2 V & W plus 1 smaller ship. I could down 1 or 2 merchants and useally the excorts never found me.

As I'm still learning I'm not playing DiD. I'm SW of Spain CG79 and I found me a nice convoy. It's on my Port side and only ship I can see is a Black Swan. I took some basic info I now have a rough course, W turning to SW. Therefore I need to make the outer turn. But somehow I can't manage to get past the BS..It killed me 3 times now. A real bugger.

So my question: How would you approach this convoy? And get at least 1 merchant.

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/uboat/index.htm

CapZap1970 07-24-07 10:35 AM

This is how I do it: I always try to assume an optimal position (90º perpendicular to the convoy's path). Reserve 1 accoustic for the leading escort and aim the other 3 to the fattest ladies in the convoy. I first fire at the convoy, so the escort gets upset and accelerates to more than 12 knots, or the accoustic will fail to detect it.
Once this is done, I dive and reload for the next attempt. If I get lucky, I can take out the same way the escort at the back of the convoy. ;)
But that's just me. :oops:
CapZap

Chisum 07-24-07 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CapZap1970
This is how I do it: I always try to assume an optimal position (90º perpendicular to the convoy's path). Reserve 1 accoustic for the leading escort and aim the other 3 to the fattest ladies in the convoy. I first fire at the convoy, so the escort gets upset and accelerates to more than 12 knots, or the accoustic will fail to detect it.
Once this is done, I dive and reload for the next attempt. If I get lucky, I can take out the same way the escort at the back of the convoy. ;)
But that's just me. :oops:
CapZap

I don't like 90°, I prefer moving to be in the convoy between an angle of 40° & 50°.

I always coming in front and in diagonal, under an angle of +/- 45°, and I let advance the convoy. That gives more chance to touch in the event of failures.
Then I fire front and behind then I plunges directly very deep maximum 2 kts while directing me to the opposite course of the convoy.

Yesterday I precisely made a success of the most beautiful blow into 29 mission. I was hidden in AM53 while waiting for end the 24 hours and a convoy arrived just above me !
In this position I fired 6 torpedoes, there were 6 impacts, 4 ships sunk + 2 ships damaged.
No reaction of the hunt !!(I don't understand why ?)

28.000 tons at the bottom in 18 minutes and 60 miles of the English coasts.

Maby I was lucky...

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2151/olm29ik3.th.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1373/bilaned8.th.jpg

Mush Martin 07-25-07 11:22 AM

agreed 40 degrees forward of the convoy as they pass into torpedo
range, roughly on an average day 1.5 to 2km away from the track.
the idea being that a long distance single hit on a far column ship
will often send the escorts off in the wrong direction, if you are
stealthily pre positioned at all stop.
also with your bow pointed not towards the convoy
but away from them so that when they enter torpedo range you have
them at exactly 270 degrees bearing so as to use both fore and aft
tubes. at that point you can fire a torp ever few
minutes and get in the first two or three relaods prior to disengaging,
your also by this orientation usually half the way around onto to the
evasion course already and headed away shortly after startup.
make a 90 degree hard turn drop a decoy and dive and your away.
M:arrgh!: I Love this game.

looney 07-25-07 02:11 PM

Woot I got into the convoy fired 2 torps (couldn't get accurate range due to weather) bot detonated 1 ship sank other severly damaged... over 10k tons already with 3 more torps on me. omw to intersept convoy again.

Happy Times 07-26-07 10:49 AM

Would like to read more of these, anyone know where to find?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/annemar...l/canktba.html

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/annemar...l/canktbb.html

TigerShark808 07-27-07 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord96
"surface and start shooting your deck gun at the lead destroyer. make sure you are going flank speed directly at him."

" keep lots of spare crewmen ready to take your dead gunnery crew's spots" :up:



WOW!:o Man do you play rough. :arrgh!: I thought the name of the game was to keep your crew alive and to get them back to port healthy ? ;)

Mush Martin 07-27-07 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerShark808
Quote:

Originally Posted by gord96
"surface and start shooting your deck gun at the lead destroyer. make sure you are going flank speed directly at him."

" keep lots of spare crewmen ready to take your dead gunnery crew's spots" :up:


WOW!:o Man do you play rough. :arrgh!: I thought the name of the game was to keep your crew alive and to get them back to port healthy ? ;)

What your missing is hes driving Uberboot. and that being the case
Cryin wont help you, prayin wont do you no good.
see the video here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUkKWxN8Sq4

TigerShark808 07-28-07 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mush Martin
Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerShark808
Quote:

Originally Posted by gord96
"surface and start shooting your deck gun at the lead destroyer. make sure you are going flank speed directly at him."

" keep lots of spare crewmen ready to take your dead gunnery crew's spots" :up:


WOW!:o Man do you play rough. :arrgh!: I thought the name of the game was to keep your crew alive and to get them back to port healthy ? ;)

What your missing is hes driving Uberboot. and that being the case
Cryin wont help you, prayin wont do you no good.
see the video here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUkKWxN8Sq4


Very nice vid :up:

Chisum 07-29-07 07:29 PM

Superb !
Great job.
:up:
Realistic damages ?
:arrgh!:


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