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The Avon Lady 06-22-07 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk
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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
You're saying current news networks don't cover Iraq in a negative light? Some certainly do.

Now that its fashionable. But thats just in a general sense. The real details of the war that were brought out in the press in Vietnam like the brutality on the ground and the pictures of dead soldiers or even the questions about the conduct of some soldiers is not really there. The political war is being criticised but its still mostly "ooh rah for the troops" stuff.

Fully disagree.

"Grim milestone" reports began with the 1000th casualty.

As for Vietnam, the Allies may very well have lost WWII with the same kind of anti-war press. Read, for example, Television Coverage Of The Vietnam War And Its Implications For Future Conflicts. All Walter Cronkite needed to do was to bang the last nail into the coffin.

The coverage has been worse in Iraq, not since day 1, but from shortly after Saddam's topple.

Keep in mind that, to begin with, I disagree with the stated goal of the current war in Iraq to win hearts and minds.

P_Funk 06-22-07 03:53 AM

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Thesis Statement: From the perspective of the U.S.
Military
, television coverage of the Vietnam War had a
detrimental impact on the conduct of that war; policies on
television coverage of future conflicts should be revised so
as to not repeat past mistakes.
I think that says it all.

The Avon Lady 06-22-07 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk
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Thesis Statement: From the perspective of the U.S.
Military
, television coverage of the Vietnam War had a
detrimental impact on the conduct of that war; policies on
television coverage of future conflicts should be revised so
as to not repeat past mistakes.
I think that says it all.

Thank you, Mr. Neutrality. :p

I think that's an accurate analysis. The military makes those now and then and once in a blue moon. Shocking to believe, I'm sure.................. :roll:

P_Funk 06-22-07 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by P_Funk
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Thesis Statement: From the perspective of the U.S.
Military
, television coverage of the Vietnam War had a
detrimental impact on the conduct of that war; policies on
television coverage of future conflicts should be revised so
as to not repeat past mistakes.
I think that says it all.

Thank you, Mr. Neutrality. :p

I think that's an accurate analysis. The military makes those now and then and once in a blue moon. Shocking to believe, I'm sure.................. :roll:

Well of course the military is going to say that. Whats dangerous is the assertion that whats good for the military is always the same as for the common good.

More from the analysis.
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"You know you never defeated us on the
battlefield," said the American colonel.
The North Vietnamese colonel pondered
this remark a moment. "That may be so,"
he replied, "but it is also irrelavent."
Conversation in Hanoi, April 19751
This project began with the question, "How could a
country win all the battles, and yet still lose the war?"
How could a country which is as rich and powerful as our
own, superior in every measurable category of military
strength, emerge as the loser with one of the world's
smallest and poorest countries? Why are our greatest
victories remembered as defeats? Why would a Congress that
approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution in 1964 with only two
dissenting votes turn its back on its South Vietnamese ally
when the North Vietnamese launched a full-scale conventional
invasion only eight years later?
In seeking answers to these questions it became readily
apparent that the American defense of South Vietnam was
brought to its unhappy conclusion not by a failure of
American arms, but rather by a failure of American will.
Well it almost assumes that the American Public is subserviant to the Military and political leadership. Almost like what they think doesn't matter.:hmm: Like when they realised what was happening that their awareness caused them to assert a point of view that didn't agree with the assigned foreign policy. As if the will of the public wanted the war to not be won because they didn't want the war at all. Heavens. It was the pinko-commie media's fault for informing people in a graphic way so that they actually understood what it meant.

Its too bad that people didn't stay delusional about it all. I mean read this travesty.
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Surveys abound which document the shift of national
sentiment from strongly supportive of the war effort to the
point where 65% of the American public believed that U.S.
involvement in Vietnam was not just a mistake, but
"immoral."
The morality of war? What business does a nation of democratic citizens have asking that question.

I think this report is all about perception. The unending need to explain why America lost in a way that blames somebody and to never again let people actually think about it. Its gotta stay "Over there".

August 06-22-07 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk
Well of course the military is going to say that. Whats dangerous is the assertion that whats good for the military is always the same as for the common good.

When the military complains about things like that it's because the ramifications for them go well beyond nebulous political debates. They are talking about giving aid and comfort to the enemy that keeps them fighting longer and harder resulting in higher casualties for our troops.

The Avon Lady 06-22-07 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by August
When the military complains about things like that it's because the ramifications for them go well beyond nebulous political debates. They are talking about giving aid and comfort to the enemy that keeps them fighting longer and harder resulting in higher casualties for our troops.

I can honestly say that I personally do not recall a day and age when this was elementary. :cry:

Heibges 06-22-07 12:38 PM

In regards to the topic of CNN, you just have to look at the website and you realize something is wrong over there. They have the worst website of any of the other news outlets including the BBC.

If they don't care about how they present themselves to the public, what do they care about.

The one thing I don't like about Fox News is that they have that disgraced officer Oliver North making commentary. He violated his sworn oath to the constitution, so if he had honor he would have eaten a bullet, rather than feel the need to spout off his two cents.

Tchocky 06-22-07 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by August
When the military complains about things like that it's because the ramifications for them go well beyond nebulous political debates. They are talking about giving aid and comfort to the enemy that keeps them fighting longer and harder resulting in higher casualties for our troops.

Semi-agreed, there's some information that journalists should not report. but what is so harmful about film of bodies being flown home? I don't understand that ban.

Old news, but at least it's all to keep aid and comfort from the enemy..

Heibges 06-22-07 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by P_Funk
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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth
You're saying current news networks don't cover Iraq in a negative light? Some certainly do.

Now that its fashionable. But thats just in a general sense. The real details of the war that were brought out in the press in Vietnam like the brutality on the ground and the pictures of dead soldiers or even the questions about the conduct of some soldiers is not really there. The political war is being criticised but its still mostly "ooh rah for the troops" stuff.

Fully disagree.

"Grim milestone" reports began with the 1000th casualty.

As for Vietnam, the Allies may very well have lost WWII with the same kind of anti-war press. Read, for example, Television Coverage Of The Vietnam War And Its Implications For Future Conflicts. All Walter Cronkite needed to do was to bang the last nail into the coffin.

The coverage has been worse in Iraq, not since day 1, but from shortly after Saddam's topple.

Keep in mind that, to begin with, I disagree with the stated goal of the current war in Iraq to win hearts and minds.

I would say some of the footage in Victory at Sea and just newsreels folks saw during WWII were as graphic as anything they saw in Vietnam.

I believe what drove the last nail in the coffin in Vietnam was when spoiled middleclass white kids started getting drafted.

I agree with AL, that since there is not a military manual titled FM-214 Winning the Hearts and Minds, this is not and cannot be our military's purpose in iraq.

Heibges 06-22-07 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by August
When the military complains about things like that it's because the ramifications for them go well beyond nebulous political debates. They are talking about giving aid and comfort to the enemy that keeps them fighting longer and harder resulting in higher casualties for our troops.

I can honestly say that I personally do not recall a day and age when this was elementary. :cry:

True. In WWII there was open debate over how the war should be handled, and whether it should be fought to the bitter end. And look at the horrible things they printed about Patton in the papers.

The only time you need to hide something from the press, is if you have something to hide.

dean_acheson 06-22-07 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
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Originally Posted by August
So in other words the Clintons are going to control CNN opinion polls ahead of Hillarys run for the oval office?

And they say the Republicans are crooked. :roll:

Nowadays, who isn't crooked?

I'm not.

August 06-22-07 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dean_acheson
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Originally Posted by Yahoshua
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Originally Posted by August
So in other words the Clintons are going to control CNN opinion polls ahead of Hillarys run for the oval office?

And they say the Republicans are crooked. :roll:

Nowadays, who isn't crooked?

I'm not.

Neither am I.

Tchocky 06-22-07 01:27 PM

I am. Wholly corrupted.

It's this power thing :)

August 06-22-07 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
I am. Wholly corrupted.

It's this power thing :)

I know. That's why i never believe anything you say! :D

Tchocky 06-22-07 01:34 PM

LIES!


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