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Heibges 06-12-07 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I haven't seen it, but I remember when it hit the papers that it was a doc on bridge suicides there was quite an uproar.

Personally, I think is totally shameless on the part of the film maker.:nope:

Tchocky 06-12-07 10:40 PM

I'm not sure.
Suicide on the Golden gate is a public act, and the film makers had a watch on the bridge every day, they called the police as soon as someone looked likely to jump. Apparently lives were saved

Enigma 06-13-07 01:00 AM

Put it this way.

If I owned a handgun, there is a good chance I wouldnt be here today.

nuff said.

Heibges 06-13-07 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265
As I suspected it seems pretty bad over here too.

"More veterans of the Falklands War have killed themselves in the years since the 1982 conflict ended than died during hostilities, according to a veterans support group".

The whole story to be found here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1758301.stm

I've found it difficult to find any concrete figures for British Vets in general, but I wouldn't imagine there would be much difference, I don't doubt that our government is just as rubbish at looking after it's vets as America.

I think this might be related to that study the US Army did after WWII, that 80% of combat infantryman who were actually in combat, never actually aimed their weapons at the enemy. Apparently, they were more afraid of killing someone than getting killed.

Despite 3000 years of bloody human history as a race, it seems individuals are highly influenced by conscience and guilt.

August 06-13-07 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges
I think this might be related to that study the US Army did after WWII, that 80% of combat infantryman who were actually in combat, never actually aimed their weapons at the enemy. Apparently, they were more afraid of killing someone than getting killed.

I know of that study. Apparently they took the amount of ammunition used divided by the number of enemy KIA/WIA to come up with that figure. Unfortunately it ignores the tactic of supressive fire.

Heibges 06-13-07 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Heibges
I think this might be related to that study the US Army did after WWII, that 80% of combat infantryman who were actually in combat, never actually aimed their weapons at the enemy. Apparently, they were more afraid of killing someone than getting killed.

I know of that study. Apparently they took the amount of ammunition used divided by the number of enemy KIA/WIA to come up with that figure. Unfortunately it ignores the tactic of supressive fire.

Are you sure you are not thinking of the study after Vietnam, that calculated 10,000 rounds per enemy KIA, and caused the Army to refocus on Basic Rifle Marksmanship? I believe this was conducted by like a dozen colonels, and they came back with like 6 bullet points of what the Army had to do, but to this day those bulletpoints are classified.

I am thinking of the study after WWII, where I believe they specifically asked these guys whether they fired they aimed at the enemy or not.

We looked at both of them in my OBC, but it was a long time ago, and the details are foggy.

August 06-13-07 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges
Are you sure you are not thinking of the study after Vietnam, that calculated 10,000 rounds per enemy KIA, and caused the Army to refocus on Basic Rifle Marksmanship? I believe this was conducted by like a dozen colonels, and they came back with like 6 bullet points of what the Army had to do, but to this day those bulletpoints are classified.

I am thinking of the study after WWII, where I believe they specifically asked these guys whether they fired they aimed at the enemy or not.

We looked at both of them in my OBC, but it was a long time ago, and the details are foggy.

Yeah maybe that's the one i'm thinking of.


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