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Skybird 06-06-07 06:16 PM

There is very much to critizise and question in Islam, but trying to set it up as an issue in this way is a bit stereotypic and premature - as is to reply with the old argument of "I know a Muslkim guy living on the same floor like me, and he is okay." If the public debate on Islam remains on this uneducated level, than all hope is lost.

It is neither about first names, nor about guys living on the same floor, it is about the content of an ideology. This has to be academically analysed and compared to history (if history violates the content of the teachings or not, and what Islam brought to the nations and people). And the outcome of this unbiased analysis is what decides the verdict on Islam.

I do not write another long essay here. I only tell you that the violance and many wars are not caused by violating Muhammad's teachings, but by following Muhammad's teachings, which should tell people all important that is to be known about it. And there ain't no other Islam than Muhammad's. Islamism, fanatism, fundamentalism, extremism - all that are self-deceptions and inventions of western minds who desperately try to define true Islam in a way that they can tame it with their limited verbal means- they do not want to accept the brutal reality, and prefer the illusion that they can "manage" it.

Now
1. check Muhammad's biography, by that
2. understand the character behind that name and see
3. his motivation why he said what the Quran claims that he has said. And then
4. determine if this queer and brutal self-justification of a notorious mobster can be the origin of a teaching of peace, tolerance and freedom.

That man have ordered dozens of wars, has slaughtered with his own hands, has blackmailed, has given assassination orders, and commited genocide. Now ask yourself why a guy like for example Hitler never was considered to be a candidate for the peace nobel prize - or why Muhammad in no way can be comapred to guys like Siddharta, Ghandi, or Jesus.

Judging the man by his deeds and queer teachings, Muhammad was the total anti-thesis to what Jesus, Ghandi and buddha were teaching. In plain english: he was a narcistic and unscrupelous gangster suffering from epilepsy, who abused a "religion" he invented himself as an excuse for self-justification on behalf of his brutal crimes that illustrated his magelomania. Islam is just the superstitious cult made around a criminal. End of message. where he was foistering social "reforms", they came at the price of all that were not with him, and the cost of women in general, and their major use was to attract others to his leadership.

Possible that that kind guy that you know to live on your floor simply does not wish to see that, maybe honstely does not know that since he never read a book on Islam that was different from the Quran (trying educational sources and seeking answers to existential questions outside the Quran is according to the Sharia forbidden by death penalty), or he rfuses to analyse it for it would question his complete world model and view on life. After WWII, many Germans also did not want to realuze the cruel truth of what has happened ion the KZs. That'S why some Allied commanders ordered local residents to go there and helpt to bury the dead. You do not do Muslims a favbour if you time and again give them the chance to sneak away from questioning their socalled faith, and if you never confront them with some undeniable hostorical facts and truths. If ou always allow Islam'S people to evade any critical questions - how could you seriously expect then, that Islam will ever chnage and adapt to other cultures? Becasue what they learn from your unlimzrted tolerance is: we get away with it, so why should be change?

You cannot tame Islam.

Letum 06-06-07 06:16 PM

OK, WG, I shall play along with you a little. How about you enlighten us as to your 'real' oppinion on the news item?

What do you think, or what would you think where you British?


*edit*
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Originally Posted by waste gate
Perhaps the comments say more about yourselves than it does about my post.:hmm:

Or perhaps they say more of our expectations based on your formerly expressed views. :hmm:

Rose 06-06-07 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Perhaps the comments say more about yourselves than it does about my post.:hmm:

Heh, like what? That we don't have a preconcieved notion about followers of Islam?

robbo180265 06-06-07 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose
Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Perhaps the comments say more about yourselves than it does about my post.:hmm:

Heh, like what? That we don't have a preconcieved notion about followers of Islam?

Or that we're not Islamaphobic?

Camaero 06-06-07 06:24 PM

I'm islamaphobic. :gulp:

Letum 06-06-07 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
You cannot tame Islam.

But there are "tame" muslims!

Islam may well contain a lot of immoral ideology, that can never be changed as you cant re-write religious texts. What can be changed is the way people follow those texts. The vast majority of muslims in the UK follow them in a perfectly 'tame' way. :D

06-06-07 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
OK, WG, I shall play along with you a little. How about you enlighten us as to your 'real' oppinion on the news item?

What do you think, or what would you think where you British?


*edit*
Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Perhaps the comments say more about yourselves than it does about my post.:hmm:

Or perhaps they say more of our expectations based on your formerly expressed views. :hmm:

So your waste gate-phobic?:rotfl: :rotfl:

I'll get to you very soon on your other play along question.

robbo180265 06-06-07 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
OK, WG, I shall play along with you a little. How about you enlighten us as to your 'real' oppinion on the news item?

What do you think, or what would you think where you British?


*edit*
Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
Perhaps the comments say more about yourselves than it does about my post.:hmm:

Or perhaps they say more of our expectations based on your formerly expressed views. :hmm:

So your waste gate-phobic?:rotfl: :rotfl:

I'll get to you very soon on your other play along question.

Perhaps you should just answer the question that you were asked ?

Or are you scared?

Letum 06-06-07 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
So your waste gate-phobic?:rotfl: :rotfl:

"phobic" implies something irrational.
Come to think of it it implies fear as well...ridiculous! ;)

fatty 06-06-07 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
So your waste gate-phobic?:rotfl: :rotfl:

"phobic" implies something irrational.

Ba-zing!

Rose 06-06-07 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty
Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
So your waste gate-phobic?:rotfl: :rotfl:

"phobic" implies something irrational.

Ba-zing!

This is getting exciting!

06-06-07 06:38 PM

My real opinion is that I don't care what happens in Britain. I do care about how the US is portrayed on this forum and I just want some to look at their own countries before attacking mine.

robbo180265 06-06-07 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose
Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty
Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
So your waste gate-phobic?:rotfl: :rotfl:

"phobic" implies something irrational.

Ba-zing!

This is getting exciting!

revealing more like

Rose 06-06-07 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
My real opinion is that I don't care what happens in Britain. I do care about how the US is portrayed on this forum and I just want some to look at their own countries before attacking mine.

People were attacking us for having lots of Muslims in our country? I'm not quite sure I follow.

*Edit:* I do agree with you that there have been a few annoying anti-US statements on this forum recently, but I am having trouble connecting that with this.

*Edit 2:* I really should get out of here and start As I Lay Dying!

Letum 06-06-07 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waste gate
My real opinion is that I don't care what happens in Britain. I do care about how the US is portrayed on this forum and I just want some to look at their own countries before attacking mine.

How about my hypothetical:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum
What do you think, or what would you think where you British?

As I said...what would you think where you British?



*edit* and what Rose said ;)


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