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fatty 06-07-07 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Nope, the Vichy French government was not an ally to Great Britain.
True, even still, the ultimatum is so great it's worth posting herre in its entirety:

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Originally Posted by Admiral James Somerville
It is impossible for us, your comrades up to now, to allow your fine ships to fall into the power of the German enemy. We are determined to fight on until the end, and if we win, as we think we shall, we shall never forget that France was our Ally, that our interests are the same as hers, and that our common enemy is Germany. Should we conquer we solemnly declare that we shall restore the greatness and territory of France. For this purpose we must make sure that the best ships of the French Navy are not used against us by the common foe. In these circumstances, His Majesty's Government have instructed me to demand that the French Fleet now at Mers el Kebir and Oran shall act in accordance with one of the following alternatives;

(a) sail with us and continue the fight until victory against the Germans.

(b) Sail with reduced crews under our control to a British port. The reduced crews would be repatriated at the earliest moment.

If either of these courses is adopted by you we will restore your ships to France at the conclusion of the war or pay full compensation if they are damaged meanwhile.

(c) Alternatively if you feel bound to stipulate that your ships should not be used against the Germans unless they break the Armistice, then sail them with us with reduced crews to some French port in the West Indies — Martinique for instance — where they can be demilitarised to our satisfaction, or perhaps be entrusted to the United States and remain safe until the end of the war, the crews being repatriated.

If you refuse these fair offers, I must with profound regret, require you to sink your ships within 6 hours.

Finally, failing the above, I have the orders from His Majesty's Government to use whatever force may be necessary to prevent your ships from falling into German hands.

Rose 06-07-07 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Nope, the Vichy French government was not an ally to Great Britain.
Yep. Vichy was an Axis satellite (see Axis vs. Axis above: Vichy French vs. pro-Axis Thai gov't). I wonder if there really are any true Allies vs. Allies battles.

Even still, thanks for posting that Oberon -- it certainly qualifies under unknown/obscure :D.

Jimbuna 06-07-07 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by fatty
Quote:
Originally Posted by August
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
Nope, the Vichy French government was not an ally to Great Britain.
True, even still, the ultimatum is so great it's worth posting herre in its entirety:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral James Somerville
It is impossible for us, your comrades up to now, to allow your fine ships to fall into the power of the German enemy. We are determined to fight on until the end, and if we win, as we think we shall, we shall never forget that France was our Ally, that our interests are the same as hers, and that our common enemy is Germany. Should we conquer we solemnly declare that we shall restore the greatness and territory of France. For this purpose we must make sure that the best ships of the French Navy are not used against us by the common foe. In these circumstances, His Majesty's Government have instructed me to demand that the French Fleet now at Mers el Kebir and Oran shall act in accordance with one of the following alternatives;

(a) sail with us and continue the fight until victory against the Germans.

(b) Sail with reduced crews under our control to a British port. The reduced crews would be repatriated at the earliest moment.

If either of these courses is adopted by you we will restore your ships to France at the conclusion of the war or pay full compensation if they are damaged meanwhile.

(c) Alternatively if you feel bound to stipulate that your ships should not be used against the Germans unless they break the Armistice, then sail them with us with reduced crews to some French port in the West Indies — Martinique for instance — where they can be demilitarised to our satisfaction, or perhaps be entrusted to the United States and remain safe until the end of the war, the crews being repatriated.

If you refuse these fair offers, I must with profound regret, require you to sink your ships within 6 hours.

Finally, failing the above, I have the orders from His Majesty's Government to use whatever force may be necessary to prevent your ships from falling into German hands.
Definitely in the days Britannia ruled the waves :rock: :arrgh!:

Rose 06-07-07 11:27 AM
The unknown Patton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Rose

Oberon 06-07-07 12:13 PM
Whoops! My bad, post edited! :up:

Some more:

Operation Wikinger - Axis vs Axis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wikinger

Operation Green - The invasion that never happened -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operati..._%28Ireland%29

FIDO - Not a battle but an interesting snippet -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_Inv...ion_%28FIDO%29

A WW1 battle - An interesting battle this, the SMS Cap Trafalgar was disguised as HMS Carmania and Carmania was disguised as the Cap Trafalgar. :doh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Cap_Trafalgar

http://ca.geocities.com/volturno@rog...olturno58.html

Pattons Prayer - http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/arch...tonsprayer.php

Fu-Go bombing campaign against the US mainland.
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/fugo.htm


Ok, so they're not so much battles, some of them, and one is in World War one...but it's relatively unknown stuff that I've come across. Enjoy! :up:

Rose 06-07-07 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon
Whoops! My bad, post edited! :up:

Some more:

Operation Wikinger - Axis vs Axis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wikinger

Operation Green - The invasion that never happened -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operati..._%28Ireland%29

FIDO - Not a battle but an interesting snippet -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_Inv...ion_%28FIDO%29

A WW1 battle - An interesting battle this, the SMS Cap Trafalgar was disguised as HMS Carmania and Carmania was disguised as the Cap Trafalgar. :doh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Cap_Trafalgar

http://ca.geocities.com/volturno@rog...olturno58.html

Pattons Prayer - http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/arch...tonsprayer.php

Fu-Go bombing campaign against the US mainland.
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/fugo.htm


Ok, so they're not so much battles, some of them, and one is in World War one...but it's relatively unknown stuff that I've come across. Enjoy! :up:
Some really good stuff there (and something other than Wikipedia finally... althought Wikipedia is great :D). I have recently taken an interest in forest firefighting, and I had no idea that smoke-jumpers originated from the Fugos during WWII.

August 06-07-07 03:12 PM
The retaking of Corregidor Island

March 1945

http://www.corregidor.org/chs_impact/impact2.htm

http://www.corregidor.org/Corregidor...Air/hill16.jpg

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The grueling air and naval softening up of the Rock had left the defending Japs dazed and scattered but they rallied, and for nearly two weeks isolated groups of them fought on with a suicidal frenzy. But several days before 1 March our forces were in possession of Corregidor, opening the finest harbor in the East to Allied shipping. More than 4,000 Japs were killed at Corregidor, and many more drowned while swimming away from the Rock. Others, estimated to be thousands, sealed themselves in the subterranean passages, and those who destroyed themselves made the island reverberate with underground explosions for many days afterward.

Happy Times 06-07-07 05:10 PM
Night Of The Bombers

The most daring mission of Finnish bombers in WW2

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2...heBombers.html

Jimbuna 06-08-07 08:02 AM
That was very intersesting HT :up: I'll have to ask Dowly about this over on TS tonight :yep:

darius359au 06-08-07 08:22 AM
The Battle of Brisbane :D

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-...e-brisbane.htm

This ones not funny

http://www.anzacday.org.au/history/w...tes/cowra.html

Privates Jones and Hardy got the George Cross for their actions during the breakout , maning the Vickers then disabeling it before they died so that it couldnt be used by the Japanese.

Dowly 06-08-07 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
That was very intersesting HT :up: I'll have to ask Dowly about this over on TS tonight :yep:
What for?? I just heard of it myself too. ;)

AntEater 06-08-07 08:55 AM
"Sonderkommando Junck"
http://www.luftwaffe39-45.historia.n...10_drewes2.jpg

The german military mission to Iraq 1941. (can't find any english page on it)
In May 1941, the Luftwaffe dispatched a small unit to Iraq to support the anti-british coup there, via Vichy French Syria.
It consisted of around a dozen Me 110 heavy fighters of 4./ZG 76 as well as around half a dozen He 111 bombers of KG 4, supported by Ju 52s and also huge Ju 90 transports.
As shown, all aircraft were painted in iraqui markings.
Some missions were flown, but the whole operation was a logistical nightmare, as everything had to be flown in from Rhodes(!) to Aleppo in Syria, taking a detour to avoid both Cyprus and Egypt-based RAF fighters. Eventually, the 110 and 111s were all either lost or abandoned due to lack of spares, but personell losses were light.
One of the Me 110 pilots was Martin Drewes, a later nightfighter ace whose first victory was a RAF Gloster Gladiator shot down over Habbanyia.
http://www.wfg-gk.de/geschichte1.html
2004 account of Drewes in German (Drewes actually wrote a book which is extremely hard to get)
Quote: Infrastructure - none, spares - none, fuel - none really suitable for our engines.

hoagiedriver 06-08-07 10:46 AM
Awesome thread. I love this stuff.

Jimbuna 06-08-07 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dowly
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
That was very intersesting HT :up: I'll have to ask Dowly about this over on TS tonight :yep:
What for?? I just heard of it myself too. ;)
Wey ya crazy little Finnish ferret :lol:

Heibges 06-08-07 01:53 PM
The History of the 43rd Infantry Division, 1941-1945

by Joseph E. Zimmer, Colonel, Infantry (Retired)


A Merriam Press Original Reprint Publication


Monograph 23



Paperback (6x9)
#MM23-P
ISBN 1-57638-151-X


Retail price: $17.95




This division is from the Pacfic and fought everywhere from Guadalcanal to the Phillipines. They trained at Camp Blanding in Florida and Camp Shelby in Mississippi.

Battles covered include:

Munda
Arundal
Shimbu Line
Ipo Dam

and others.


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