I thank you EIAurens for posting what I don't I guess have the right words to say. I know JCC is going to be mad at me but looking at heartc past posts he's kinda passionate about his opinions and other times he's very informative :up: So what the heck a bad day maybe ?:) We all have em. Good Hunting :arrgh!:

<Fixed that for you. I know you wouldn't want to get brig time for a personal attack! JCC>

Perhaps a bad day but I just add people like this to my ignore list. That's two today!

Weird, well sometimes it could be mines or shore batteries, clearly not in this case though. What about the weather? Could be something to do with weather, storms causing damge but not noticed becasue of high TC (storm comes and goes in transit and not noticed)...doesn't sound like your case however. :hmm:


For the record, heartc has good info usually.

[Just to get this out the way first, cause you might have missed it: Are you using a no-DVD crack for convenience? If so, get rid of it because the copy protection will kick in and corrupt the game.]

Did you go to high TC when on the map screen? If not, you can stop reading right there because then I have no idea.

Otherwise, I can think of a few:

It is notable that this happened at night. I remember your name from the flightsim community way back (in a good way, but your "Life's to short for this POS" statement in the other thread reminded me of UBI-Zoo ;) ), so I don't know about your experience with subsims in general, maybe you are already aware of the following: The thing with any subsim I've every played is that it will drop you out of TC only when the crew has spotted something. Also, the higher your TC is and the more strain is put on your system, the more time will pass in-game from the crew spotting something and TC actually dropping back to 1. Last time, in fine weather and daylight, I was dropped out of TC cause we spotted a destroyer. He was still at long range, but when I checked the time of the "Warship spotted" report in the message window it was already 2 minutes ago at this point.

Now, when you are in bad weather with poor visibility, or worse yet bad weather at night, you will only drop out of TC at pretty short ranges, and then 2 minutes is a long time. I can very well imagine how you can collide with a ship / get shot at during those 2 minutes and the ship disappearing back into the fog before you ever had a chance to do something about it. This is a problem that has been there in SHI, AOD, SHIII and now SHIV (prolly in SHII, too, but I never gave that one a lot of time). I deal with it by lowering TC until any lagging is gone (so I can see the system is not under strain) whenever I notice very bad visibility, or sometimes I even go submerged for this period just to be safe, especially when weather is poor at night (they also did that iRL when visibility was too piss poor). When at TC, I somtimes notice a bad weather encounter which usually goes with a high sea state by looking at the depth-meter, which will be jumping up and down in a smallish but rapid way.

Also, there is the additional chance that you indeed were attacked by an aircraft under those same circumstances. Unfortunately, SHIV has you occasionally and unrealisticly attacked by air at night and I bet the crew won't be fast enough to notice *anything* happening before the plane is gone again. There is a mod that pretty much eliminates airstrikes at night. Check the *second* post in this thread:

http://www.subsowespac.org/forum/ind...pic,115.0.html
(and btw. compare the number of posts in their "Patrol Reports" forum to the one in the "Bug" forum. Seems like some people do enjoy this "POS")

Another thing which might be a problem for some, though probably not in your specific example cause you were in the middle of the ocean, is the fact that when you reload a savegame, the sub will be "reset", meaning engines all stop and rudder to zero. If you do not order "return to course" or move the next waypoint once, the game will not recognize the plotted route from the previous session and continue on with a rudder setting of zero, which will drift you off course because of sea state and naturally also ignore the next waypoint. I can imagine some people running into land this way or over one of those small semi-sandbanks in the Pac and be dead before they know what hit 'em. The TC should drop back once in the proximity of land, but it might fail to do so in time at high TC as per the above.



On another note:

The thing which ticks me off is that while there are real bug reports for SHIV, they are often burried below a helluva lot of BS. I can't count the number of times where we had those "My torps don't fire!!" posts. At first people thought it might be due to a cracked exe, and some of the concerned said "Oh yes, I'm using one". But then it turned out that people were just hitting the tube selection buttons instead of the universal fire button. I mean, I did the same once cause I was used to the system from SHI, but hell I figured it out in about 5 seconds instead of leaving the game and posting a rant. I can't remember seeing any more posts about this issue after that thread. So, while this "problem" was caused by people hitting the wrong buttons, it also showed that plenty of people are not aware that a no-DVD exe is not advised because it WILL corrupt the game as per the devs' statement.

And there are many more "bugs" like this or just small personal annoyances and they all add up to "buglists" pointing out 100 things, and the real issues are somewhere in that (Neal has posted a good list, but the thread is still filled with 100 other things). The sub being "reset to zero" after a savegame load for example is not a BUG, it's a minor inconvenience by way of the game is designed, which is solved by hitting a single button, yet I saw it listed in one of those buglists. This all adds up, and new guys looking into the different forums will see 20+ pages "buglists", and then either leave damning the game before they have played it or add another "bug" to the list as to how they cannot submerge anymore without killing themselves after being shelled or hit by a freakin BOMB. Yeah, the game could give you some indication that you shouldn't dive anymore because the hull is SOL albeit the rudder might be repaired, but common sense should tell you that it might not be a bug after all and the crew at sea cannot just overhaul the hull like the sub was in a drydock. IRL, when being hit by a bomb, the sub usually kept patrolling, for eternity, so I don't see how this is a bug.

And that's all I have to say about that. ;)

Quite funny. You notice you get damaged while enroute and find out it is a ship firing at you and so many people join the march, though the mysterious damage usually occurs on a completely different occasion: When loading a saved game.

On the other hand, I'm pretty impressed the Devs confirmed there is a bug with the savegames and some people call them a liar, because they encountered a completely different phenomena.

I can understand that it sometimes gets annoying to read all the whining, but this counterwhining without any reasoning at all isn't really a bit better.

Shore batteries.

Can you point me to where the Devs said the sub will sometimes take unexplained damage after loading a savegame? Not saying this isn't true, but I must have missed that. Also, no one called anyone a liar, instead:

I think the "we are taking damage sir" (with the broken glass visual effect) when we load a saved game is related to the fact that we still have permanent damages from prior attacks & repairings. Is a very stupid way to warning "hey, don´t go too deep if you don´t want to feel the same than a cockroach under a shoe" :p

I often seen the "taking damage" scenario when loading a game where I had damage previous to that save. I figured it was normal.

What is being discussed is catastrophic (as in bang your dead) unexplained damage from mysterious sources for no apparent reason.

I might add that I am running the die slowly mod. If not I probably would have never had a chance to see where the damage was comming from. The first round hit us pretty damn hard.

You sound like a 10yr old

Easy, now.

JCC

I think there's a lot of truth to that.

I give up...

This goes double for me. Its obvious that some people aren't ready for in depth sims but, and this community is very good at it, its important to try and have patience with people new to simulators. Afterall if they are initially confused with the game and then have to deal with hostile players, they probably aren't going to become part of the fan base. Dedicated Flightsim and subsim fan groups are small enough. This, and because I've asked plenty of them myself, is why I don't mind answering dumb questions or trying to explain what I know to help others better enjoy the game. :D

You are absolutely spot on when it comes to NUBs asking questions and seeking guidance . It is our responsibility to this hobby to help newcomers in any way we can.

However....

When new people show up spewing vitriol and making irresponsible, childish posts and stupid comments because they haven't taken the time to figure things out, or don't have the maurity to realize that perhaps there is something that they don't know, then I must admit I share some of the frustration. Sometimes publically.

JCC